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Supercharger costs

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Aussie Bob, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Aussie Bob

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    I saw following in Electotek article about a supercharger credi system.
    Tesla to introduce new ‘Supercharger Credit’ system to reduce entry price of Model S & X
    Fred Lambert



    TESLA TESLA MODEL S TESLA SUPERCHARGER SUPERCHARGER CREDITS
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    Earlier this week, Tesla updated its website with a payment option to buy ‘Supercharger credits’ hidden in the source code of the ‘MyTesla’ page of Model S and X owners, and even Model 3 reservation holders.

    Tesla quickly reverted the update and refused to comment on the temporary change despite several requests from Electrek. Now sources with knowledge of the new program confirmed new details about its upcoming rollout…

    Following the leak, the ‘Supercharger credits’ were associated with the Model 3 because Tesla currently only sells vehicles with “free” lifetime Supercharger access and Tesla already said that it will be an option on the Model 3, but as previously mentioned, the code was also embedded in the Model S and X ‘MyTesla’ page. And now we know why.

    Sources familiar with the program have told Electrek that Tesla is about to introduce a new Supercharger Credit program to unbundle the cost of Supercharger access from the vehicle and consequently, lower the entry price of the Model S and X while ensuring that the value of the Supercharger network is better represented by the pricing model. The update could coincide with the release of OS 8 or 8.1.

    We weren’t able to confirm the amount of the price reduction, but considering Tesla still offers the option to enable Supercharging access for $2,500 on the original Model S 40/60, which were not offered with included access to the network, it wouldn’t be surprising if the discount will be of about the same amount.

    Update: another source with knowledge of the new program now says that the price reduction will actually amount to $2,000.

    Tesla has been working on reducing the price of the Model S and X this year with different options, like with the Model S 60 which is now Tesla’s least expensive option at $66,000. The Supercharger as an option will be Tesla’s next move to reduce the entry price of the vehicle.

    New owners will be able to buy ‘Supercharger Credits’ by blocks of kWh. The price will depend on local electricity rates in your country. Buying blocks of kWh instead of paying per use, a la gas station, will allow Tesla to simplify its payment structure and reduce the number of credit card transactions.

    From the ‘MyTesla’ page on the website, owners will be able to register a credit card number in order to make adding credit as easy as pressing a few buttons on the touchscreen of your Model S, X, and eventual 3.

    Tesla is also looking to monetize the time spent at the Supercharger by offering other services. We reported last month that Tesla is working to offer car wash service at Superchargers with a pilot project already underway in Fremont.
     
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  2. wayner

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    This could make sense to reduce the price to get it under the threshold for incentives. Isn't their a huge benefit in Ontario if they could get the price down to $74,999? You could then buy back Supercharger access with the increased incentive that you would receive from the Ontario government and still have money left over. They could then sell all of the other options as aftermarket upgrades so that you could stay under $75k.
     
  3. hingisfan

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    Yes, but it would have to get 11k cheaper than current pricing to qualify, for the 60.
     
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    If the discount was US$3000 that's C$4000 so that is a good start. I wonder what else you could strip out?
     
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    6.1% NAFTA tariff if batteries were made in NA.
     
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    Although I don't know if that's actually 6.1% anymore due to TPP. Might be more like 5.5 this year and slowly phase out to 0 over the next 4 years.
     
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    I'd sell the battery pack separately. When I bought ICE cars they never had much gas in it.
     
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  8. sitter_k

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    Are there any other jurisdictions where they need to be under 75k? I doubt they would reprice cars and options just for Ontario. Wouldn't a rising cdn dollar help the most? Is the EVs pricing determined by the ministry once a year?
     
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    S'toon Knows where his towel is

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    The TPP hasn't been ratified, and it might never be.
     
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    As mentioned elsewhere, they should sell the car with a 10kWh battery for like $20,000 less and then you can software upgrade it later :)
    Would help Ontario, as well as Germany.

    Or have more sensible rebate policies. Or do what Alberta does. No provincial sales tax on EVs! ;)
     
  11. hingisfan

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    No/reduced HST might be coming soon for Ontario, in addition to up to 14k rebate, and free home charging for 4 years! If all this happens Ontario will be the best place in North America to buy an EV.

    (Model 3 tho, not Model S) hopefully they at least do the free home charging program for any EV, and for existing EV owners.
     
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    Where did you hear this? As-in no provincial portion of HST on EVs? And a reduction on hydro bills to cover EV charging?
     
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    I agree with this. It would make more sense and be more politically palatable. The way that it's done right now people figure that EV owners are being subsidized - when practically it just means that you're paying less sales tax. Although... sensible is just not the current Ontario way, so I wouldn't be holding my breath.
     
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    No federal or provincial I heard
     
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    Cutting and pasting the relevant bit:

    "285-million for electric vehicle incentives. These include a rebate of up to $14,000 for every electric vehicle purchased; up to $1,000 to install home charging; taking the provincial portion of the HST off electric vehicle sales; an extra subsidy program for low– and moderate-income households to get older cars off the road and replace them with electric; and free overnight electricity for charging electric vehicles. The province will also build more charging stations at government buildings, including LCBO outlets, and consider making electrical vehicle plug-ins mandatory on all new buildings. The plan sets targets of expanding electric vehicle sales to 5 per cent of all vehicles sold by 2020, up to 12 per cent by 2025, and aiming to get an electric or hybrid vehicle in every multivehicle driveway by 2024, a total of about 1.7 million cars."
     
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    I wonder how they will do the logistics of the free electricity? It is probably easier just to give everyone a flat rebate based on average usage of something like 500kWh/ month or whatever a reasonable number is. And does "free" electricity mean just that you don't have to pay for the generation (which is only about $0.09/kWh during the night), but you still have to pay for the distribution, transmission, etc?
     
  18. hingisfan

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    Hoping it's a free time period, like 1am to 5am...but who knows?

    Quite sure the 8% provincial HST will be cut, and they are working to try and get the feds to do the other 5%.

    Will be a pretty sweet deal for M3 in any case, compared to the rest of Canada.
     
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  19. wayner

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    Great - let's all buy a few PowerWalls and suck up all that electricity at 1am and sell it back into the grid 12 hours later? But maybe that makes sense to level off peak demand.
     

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