TheTinRam
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That's just the thing. Its NOT posted. You don't have to prove anything, that's now how the law works. If there is no closed gate and security doesn't bother to stop you, its not trespassing.
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Supercharger - West Seneca, NY
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That's just the thing. Its NOT posted. You don't have to prove anything, that's now how the law works. If there is no closed gate and security doesn't bother to stop you, its not trespassing.
Mrbrock
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Someone posted that a pass or employee badge were required. There is clearly a security shack with a stop sign in front of it. Again, just because security isn’t doing their job doesn’t give you a free pass to be there unauthorized.
What does this red and white sign say on the right on the way in? Sure looks like a “don’t come in if you don’t belong” type of sign.
TheTinRam
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Lol. "looks like". Yeah, that will stand up in court. To me it looks like "deliveries in the back".
I agree that you may not be "authorized" there and you shouldn't go there if you are not, but that does not mean you can be charged with trespassing. There is a huge difference.
Mrbrock
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I was actually asking you what the sign says since you are vehemently arguing that you have every right to be on the Giga New York property so you must have knowledge of what that sign says. I can't read it form the image so have no idea what it says. And a deliveries sign would be at a junction of streets, this in on the entrance. As posted above, you are required to have a parking permit or employee pass to be on site, this is a perfect location for a sign like that.
This is a WA definition so may not apply in New York. It does not state that there needs to literally be a "no tresspassing" sign. Anything saying you need specific credentials to be there would suffice. Yes, "remains" mean you have been notified and asked to leave but "knowingly enters" means there just has to be some type of notice that you shouldn't be there.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he or she knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building. (2) Criminal trespass in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor.
TheTinRam
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I 100% agree with your analysis of the the law in WA. Its similar in other jurisdictions. To me, the key here is "knowingly" and that can be interpreted in different ways by the courts. Because of this, it is difficult to prosecute for trespassing and therefore the authorities are far more likely just to ask you to leave. Its the same reason why IT systems now have explicit banners telling users that it is a private system. Prosecutions of hacking have failed because the perpetrators claimed hey didn't know they they can't go into the system.
We have completely gone down a rabbit hole on this thread
While you lawyers have a debate, anyone else know the progress on the West Seneca charger?
Mrbrock
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Looks like it needs the lamp posts installed and missing the transformer.
TheTinRam
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Those look like V4 to me!! Would this be the first V4 in stall in the US?
I will be in the area for the eclipse next month, I really hope it will be done, but that is just over 2 weeks away, so I doubt it.
They are v4 pedestals but can anyone tell if the charger cabinet is different at all?
There's a site in Oregon with v4 pedestals that has been live since November.
Nope, those are V3 Supercharger cabinets. This will be a V3.5 site.
Yes. I checked out a cable at Rockland, ME and I found that it's not _extremely_ long so some driver-side-front-fender vehicles will have to pull in forward close, but other positions will be easy. It'll still be best for Tesla position, because the plug is on the driver side and there'll be less walking around the vehicle to do.
V4 stalls in the USA have a built-in CCS adapter as well, but it's inside the pedestal shell, so it's not as obvious as V3.
Mrbrock
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Gee -- this new SC is really needed. We waited 15 minutes for an empty stall at Cheektowaga yesterday. We were 5th in line waiting.
I may swing by Thurs am and see how it's coming along.
I may swing by Thurs am and see how it's coming along.
I was just there. Transformer pad is there - but no transformer as you can see. Don't hold your breath. This will still take awhile.
I'm a bit disappointed this doesnt have easier access to I-90. Have to travel a few miles on local roads. Might not take the pressure off of Cheektowaga as much as needed.
I'm a bit disappointed this doesnt have easier access to I-90. Have to travel a few miles on local roads. Might not take the pressure off of Cheektowaga as much as needed.
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Honestly the Transit Rd SC is even better. Just a straight shot down from the 90. Not sure why they picked this location.That’s going to be as much fun as the Transit Road SC
Being from the Northtowns I would love to see a SC in Niagara Falls, North Tonawanda, or Lockport. One can dream.
Mrbrock
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Because they found a partner who was willing to lease them the land on teslas terms.
Amen. I wrote to Tesla suggesting something off the 290 /Niagara Falls Blvd. Image that - I dont think they listened to me. Please build one at Teds Hot Dogs.
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