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Superchargers in public parking lots
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eprosenx
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Pardon my French, but what the *hell* is wrong with your utility? I am on a fixed rate plan here in Portland Oregon and it is like 11 cents per kWh. I get that it is expensive to transmit power to Southern California, but the distribution costs I don't think would be materially different once power is delivered to the local municipal grid.
I presume that a whole ton of "social policy" costs have been baked into your insane rates?
5 years ago SDGE was awarded the nation's highest electric rates
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/apr/24/citylights1-electric-rates/
I wouldn't be surprised if they still had that honor this year.
San Diego could really make use of all the mall parking lots plastered with solar shade with EV charging to avoid the outrages costs of electricity here.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/apr/24/citylights1-electric-rates/
I wouldn't be surprised if they still had that honor this year.
San Diego could really make use of all the mall parking lots plastered with solar shade with EV charging to avoid the outrages costs of electricity here.
SageBrush
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Post title: Superchargers in public parking lots
Source of energy for these super chargers: Solar canopies most likely, local power company has high rates.
Not enough solar panels for EV charging at home, and local power company has the highest rates in the nation, though from the latest posts I just discovered that EVs have their own charging rates with local power company (though 4pm to 9pm is still outrages.) Only 1 super charger station in this county of millions of people so far, so more would be useful. Any other questions?
Source of energy for these super chargers: Solar canopies most likely, local power company has high rates.
Not enough solar panels for EV charging at home, and local power company has the highest rates in the nation, though from the latest posts I just discovered that EVs have their own charging rates with local power company (though 4pm to 9pm is still outrages.) Only 1 super charger station in this county of millions of people so far, so more would be useful. Any other questions?
Source of energy: whomever Tesla pays. Cost: commercial rates, not residential rates.
PS: Outrageous.
SageBrush
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Exactly -- Tesla pays for the energy regardless, so the rate is irrelevant to whether the Superchargers are sited public or private.
@Hyper Sonic may be confused by the arrangements Tesla makes with sites that accept destination chargers.
Instead of betting, you could have looked up the publicly available information about commercial rates. Residential rates are irrelevant to this thread.
Since it's publicly available, you should have no trouble providing a link showing how much Tesla pays the power company at its existing super chargers, I am curious to find out. If residential rates were cheap there would be less need for super chargers, at least for local use.
Tesla increases cost of using its Supercharger stations, still says it ‘will never be a profit center’
Tesla says the super chargers would never be a profit center, so I assume the price customers pay is not far off from what Tesla pays per kwh.
This is good news!
https://electrek.co/2017/06/09/tesla-superchargers-solar-battery-grid-elon-musk/
Tesla increases cost of using its Supercharger stations, still says it ‘will never be a profit center’
Tesla says the super chargers would never be a profit center, so I assume the price customers pay is not far off from what Tesla pays per kwh.
This is good news!
https://electrek.co/2017/06/09/tesla-superchargers-solar-battery-grid-elon-musk/
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Superchargers in the USA at publicly-owned properties:
| Type | Count |
|---|---|
| Parking Lot | 10 |
| Parking Garage | 2 |
| Service Plaza | 17 |
| Mall | 1 |
| Airport | 3 |
| Amenity | 1 |
| Tourist Information | 5 |
| Transportation Center | 1* |
* In a parking lot, but aren't they all...
Parking Garages:
Colorado Springs, CO
New Rochelle, NY
Parking Lots:
Wickenburg, AZ
Crescent City, CA
Groveland, CA
Los Gatos, CA
Ukiah, CA
DeFuniak Springs, FL
Tonopah, NV
Arlington, TX
Sulphur Springs, TX
Aberdeen, WA
Service Plazas:
Darien, CT (north)
Darien, CT (south)
Greenwich, CT (north)
Greenwich, CT (south)
Milford, CT (north)
Milford, CT (south)
Newark, DE
Fort Drum, FL
Turkey Lake, FL
Aberdeen, MD
North East, MD
Kennebunk - Northbound, ME
Kennebunk - Southbound, ME
Hooksett (north), NH
Hooksett (south), NH
Cranbury, NJ
East Brunswick, NJ
Mall:
Triadelphia, WV
Tourist Information:
Kingsland, GA
Macon, GA
Twin Falls, ID
London, KY
Blanding, UT
Transportation Center (parking lot):
Normal, IL
Amenity:
Port Huron, MI (Blue Water Convention Center)
I may have misclassified some, so if you see any mistakes in the above list, please let me know.
Here's a more general classification:
| Type | Count | Public |
|---|---|---|
| Mall | 213 | 1 |
| Hotel | 101 | 0 |
| Gas Station | 88 | 0 |
| Grocery Store | 65 | 0 |
| Restaurant | 47 | 0 |
| Service Plaza | 17 | 17 |
| Tesla | 16 | 0 |
| Parking Garage | 12 | 2 |
| Parking Lot | 12 | 10 |
| Casino | 10 | 0 |
| Store | 5 | 0 |
| Tourist Information | 5 | 5 |
| Attraction | 4 | 0 |
| Airport | 3 | 3 |
| Bank | 3 | 0 |
| Factory | 3 | 0 |
| Housing | 3 | 0 |
| Amenity | 2 | 1 |
| Museum | 2 | 0 |
| Office Building | 2 | 0 |
| College | 1 | 0 |
| Ignore | 1 | 0 |
| Liquor Store | 1 | 0 |
| Restaurant Mall | 1 | 0 |
| Supercharger | 1 | 0 |
| Transportation Center | 1 | 1 |
| Warehouse | 1 | 0 |
Note that "Mall" is a pretty broad classification in which I've included the now popular "mixed-use development".
Trends:
The favorite:
Malls are clearly the most common location, for obvious reasons. Trending slightly up, which is to be expected given that retail is generally struggling.
Up:
Grocery stores have seen a steady increase. I think we should expect it to be a growth area. Grocery stores are pretty much the perfect location for urban Superchargers, for people who need an alternative to home charging.
Gas station locations are also trending up. 2017 was the year of the gas station with almost as many new Superchargers at gas stations as at malls, but although not that high, 2018 is already higher than 2016 (2018 has seen a total of 91 new openings, the same as the whole of 2016).
Parking garages: with the new urban Superchargers, there have already been 8 opened in parking garages this year, which is more than half the current total.
Down:
Hotels are now clearly out of favor, with only 5 new openings this year so far. The previous low was 13, in 2013. I think many Tesla owners will be happy to know this.
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cpa
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Money,
I went to the old Mammoth Lakes Supercharger thread to confirm my recollection that the Supercharger there was on town property:
It would seem to me that we need to include the Mammoth Lakes Supercharger as in a town-owned parking lot. Thanks for all your hard work!
I went to the old Mammoth Lakes Supercharger thread to confirm my recollection that the Supercharger there was on town property:
It would seem to me that we need to include the Mammoth Lakes Supercharger as in a town-owned parking lot. Thanks for all your hard work!
Triadelphia isn't at a mall at all. It's at the Hampton Inn.
Port Huron is in the parking lot of the Doubletree Inn.
I don't recall there being a public host for London, KY. It's in the middle of some fast food places and gas stations.
Normal is a parking garage rather than a parking lot. It's very similar to Colorado Springs.
Yup. Don't know how I marked it as being at a mall.
This is one of those tricky ones. The Doubletree seems to be part of a public-private partnership with a hotel and convention center.
Not sure of the arrangement and I'm not sure who got the say on the chargers.
Is it in a part of the lot reserved for Doubletree?
Tesla charging stations coming to convention center
It seems to be in the public lot by the Tourist Information Center (and World Chicken Festival Association) building.
It's across a back road from a Gas station/McDonalds.
Noted. I just have it marked as the Transportation Center but wrongly described it as a lot.
My original question to the group was superchargers in publicly owned Municipal Lots, which would require special agreements between an agency ( like an Inc. City) and Tesla. In my case, Tesla decided to not partner with our
agency, and went to our regional mall.
Also, I have a sneaking suspicion Tesla has a "special" deal on energy rates and connection fees, conversations lead me to believe Tesla is treated differently than any other commercial applicant.
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