Hyper Sonic
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Ya the netmetering would be more beneficial if I had more panels. Thanks for the SDGE EV rate page, so no monthly limits when charging your EV? No teirs?
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Ya the netmetering would be more beneficial if I had more panels. Thanks for the SDGE EV rate page, so no monthly limits when charging your EV? No teirs?
San Diego could use chargers in parking lots (already lost chargers in the Stadium, went up north to LA!) Seriously though SDGE is about to make energy for electric vehicles more expensive than gas vehicles.
SDG&E shocks solar users with rate change
Here's the current SDGE tier system
Tier 1 0-380 kwh $0.27
Tier 2 381-1168 kwh $0.48
Tier 3 >1169 kwh $0.55
Tier 1 is just enough for running your house, so Tier 2&3 are for charging your car
Average ICE car: 22 miles per gallon = 0.045 gallons per mile = (@ $4/gallon) $0.18 per mile.
Model S: 0.333 kwh per mile = (@ $0.48/kwh) $0.16 per mile.
SDGE is about to up the rates, which will likely make buying energy for a Tesla more expensive than buying energy for a ICE vehicle.
Tesla should shade all over the mall parking lots with solar panels, and have batteries so the energy could also power superchargers at night. The shade keeps the cars cool as well. Some related links:
Solar Parking Canopies: How They Work
Solar Power Transforms Parking Lots into Green Job Generators | CleanTechnica
Inductive charging at each stall would be awesome as well.
Do your posts have anything to do with this thread ?Ya the netmetering would be more beneficial if I had more panels. Thanks for the SDGE EV rate page, so no monthly limits when charging your EV? No teirs?
Post title: Superchargers in public parking lots
Source of energy for these super chargers: Solar canopies most likely, local power company has high rates.
Not enough solar panels for EV charging at home, and local power company has the highest rates in the nation, though from the latest posts I just discovered that EVs have their own charging rates with local power company (though 4pm to 9pm is still outrages.) Only 1 super charger station in this county of millions of people so far, so more would be useful. Any other questions?
Exactly -- Tesla pays for the energy regardless, so the rate is irrelevant to whether the Superchargers are sited public or private.Source of energy: whomever Tesla pays. Cost: commercial rates, not residential rates.
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The Sun and SDGE, where else would they get energy? Sure commercial rates, but I bet it wouldn't be much lower, SDGE is known for high prices. Ya spell checker only, no grammar checker...
Does anyone know if there are superchargers that have been installed in publicly owned parking lots?
Type | Count |
---|---|
Parking Lot | 10 |
Parking Garage | 2 |
Service Plaza | 17 |
Mall | 1 |
Airport | 3 |
Amenity | 1 |
Tourist Information | 5 |
Transportation Center | 1* |
Type | Count | Public |
---|---|---|
Mall | 213 | 1 |
Hotel | 101 | 0 |
Gas Station | 88 | 0 |
Grocery Store | 65 | 0 |
Restaurant | 47 | 0 |
Service Plaza | 17 | 17 |
Tesla | 16 | 0 |
Parking Garage | 12 | 2 |
Parking Lot | 12 | 10 |
Casino | 10 | 0 |
Store | 5 | 0 |
Tourist Information | 5 | 5 |
Attraction | 4 | 0 |
Airport | 3 | 3 |
Bank | 3 | 0 |
Factory | 3 | 0 |
Housing | 3 | 0 |
Amenity | 2 | 1 |
Museum | 2 | 0 |
Office Building | 2 | 0 |
College | 1 | 0 |
Ignore | 1 | 0 |
Liquor Store | 1 | 0 |
Restaurant Mall | 1 | 0 |
Supercharger | 1 | 0 |
Transportation Center | 1 | 1 |
Warehouse | 1 | 0 |
Mammoth Lakes Superchargers
Greetings from Mammoth Lakes! We (Town council) just approved an agreement with Tesla on September 16 to install 8 superchargers located at our town park and ride lot on Old Mammoth Rd. The plan is to be up and running before winter, we very are excited to be on Superchanger Map very soon. We look forward to seeing you in town.
Triadelphia isn't at a mall at all. It's at the Hampton Inn.Superchargers in the USA at publicly-owned properties:
Type Count Parking Lot 10 Parking Garage 2 Service Plaza 17 Mall 1 Airport 3 Amenity 1 Tourist Information 5 Transportation Center 1*
* In a parking lot, but aren't they all...
Parking Garages:
Colorado Springs, CO
New Rochelle, NY
Parking Lots:
Wickenburg, AZ
Crescent City, CA
Groveland, CA
Los Gatos, CA
Ukiah, CA
DeFuniak Springs, FL
Tonopah, NV
Arlington, TX
Sulphur Springs, TX
Aberdeen, WA
Service Plazas:
Darien, CT (north)
Darien, CT (south)
Greenwich, CT (north)
Greenwich, CT (south)
Milford, CT (north)
Milford, CT (south)
Newark, DE
Fort Drum, FL
Turkey Lake, FL
Aberdeen, MD
North East, MD
Kennebunk - Northbound, ME
Kennebunk - Southbound, ME
Hooksett (north), NH
Hooksett (south), NH
Cranbury, NJ
East Brunswick, NJ
Mall:
Triadelphia, WV
Tourist Information:
Kingsland, GA
Macon, GA
Twin Falls, ID
London, KY
Blanding, UT
Transportation Center (parking lot):
Normal, IL
Amenity:
Port Huron, MI (Blue Water Convention Center)
I may have misclassified some, so if you see any mistakes in the above list, please let me know.
Here's a more general classification:
Type Count Public Mall 213 1 Hotel 101 0 Gas Station 88 0 Grocery Store 65 0 Restaurant 47 0 Service Plaza 17 17 Tesla 16 0 Parking Garage 12 2 Parking Lot 12 10 Casino 10 0 Store 5 0 Tourist Information 5 5 Attraction 4 0 Airport 3 3 Bank 3 0 Factory 3 0 Housing 3 0 Amenity 2 1 Museum 2 0 Office Building 2 0 College 1 0 Ignore 1 0 Liquor Store 1 0 Restaurant Mall 1 0 Supercharger 1 0 Transportation Center 1 1 Warehouse 1 0
Note that "Mall" is a pretty broad classification in which I've included the now popular "mixed-use development".
Trends:
The favorite:
Malls are clearly the most common location, for obvious reasons. Trending slightly up, which is to be expected given that retail is generally struggling.
Up:
Grocery stores have seen a steady increase. I think we should expect it to be a growth area. Grocery stores are pretty much the perfect location for urban Superchargers, for people who need an alternative to home charging.
Gas station locations are also trending up. 2017 was the year of the gas station with almost as many new Superchargers at gas stations as at malls, but although not that high, 2018 is already higher than 2016 (2018 has seen a total of 91 new openings, the same as the whole of 2016).
Parking garages: with the new urban Superchargers, there have already been 8 opened in parking garages this year, which is more than half the current total.
Down:
Hotels are now clearly out of favor, with only 5 new openings this year so far. The previous low was 13, in 2013. I think many Tesla owners will be happy to know this.
Money,
I went to the old Mammoth Lakes Supercharger thread to confirm my recollection that the Supercharger there was on town property:
It would seem to me that we need to include the Mammoth Lakes Supercharger as in a town-owned parking lot. Thanks for all your hard work!
Triadelphia isn't at a mall at all. It's at the Hampton Inn.
Port Huron is in the parking lot of the Doubletree Inn.
I don't recall there being a public host for London, KY. It's in the middle of some fast food places and gas stations.
Normal is a parking garage rather than a parking lot. It's very similar to Colorado Springs.
Superchargers in the USA at publicly-owned
* In a parking lot, but aren't they all...
This would seem more likely in California than in other states.I have a sneaking suspicion Tesla has a "special" deal on energy rates and connection fees, conversations lead me to believe Tesla is treated differently than any other commercial applicant.