Supercharging - Elon's statement that Daily Supercharging Users are Receiving Notes

[Merrill]

I wouldn't think so. You charge at home usually right? Grabbing a quick charge while you are out and about is something Tesla has supported. Again, if you never charge at home but could and refuse to do so simply because a Supercharger is near your home it seems Tesla is asking those people to simply plug in at night.

Mostly charge at home with the exceptions of the above.

 

[SW2Fiddler]

Occasional use was always fair game, and remains that with Elon's statement. We won't have a lot of clarity on the specific conditions to trigger such a notice unless someone reports back about it (although as others put it, if someone receives such a notice, the likelihood might not be high of them reporting it).

This is where David Noland comes in again. Odds are high he'll reprint the communiqué verbatim, in a follow-up article.

...Bless his heart!

 

[Spidy]

Tesla also only highlights free superchargers. They don't say "free unlimited superchargers". The only part where it hints at that is if you dig in the FAQ to the part where it talks about degradation and warranty. But the advertising never highlighted unlimited. That's where companies like AT&T got in trouble because their marketing had that in big bold letters and yet they ended up throttling.

I'd say it's pretty big if it's in the FAQ. That's why a FAQ exists, to get a clear answer for stuff like that.

Also it's not like they don't mention it anywhere else.

With this software update, we’ll enable access and you’ll be able to enjoy free,unlimited use of the Tesla Supercharger network.

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/software_update_1.15.8.pdf

 

[stopcrazypp]

This is where David Noland comes in again. Odds are high he'll reprint the communiqué verbatim, in a follow-up article.

...Bless his heart!

I forgot about him. This may be the one case where I "support" him doing this because of my curiosity about what the notice actually says.

 

[callmesam]

I'm not the type to downvote sentiments I disagree with, but please....

Should have added :wink:But . . .With that said . . .

Please feel free. I'm very comfortable with my position which has been adequately supported by Tesla Motors actual statements. Without the need for inference.

Unlike many poster who state unequivocally that there is a moral component to this discussion beyond courtesy.

 

[stopcrazypp]

I'd say it's pretty big if it's in the FAQ. That's why a FAQ exists, to get a clear answer for stuff like that.

Also it's not like they don't mention it anywhere else.

With this software update, we’ll enable access and you’ll be able to enjoy free,unlimited use of the Tesla Supercharger network.

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/software_update_1.15.8.pdf

My point was it was not a feature they really advertised and notably absent in their front/supercharger page ads. The FAQ mention is taken out of context and doesn't use the "unlimited" wording. In fact it's really tough to dig for examples where they used "unlimited" whereas it's extremely easy to find references to long distance and roadtrips in all their ads (and I'm referring to even before Elon's recent statement by looking at the internet archive). However, people here has chosen to focus on them advertising "free unlimited superchargers" when it is extremely rare that that they use that wording and when they do it is buried somewhere.

 

[deonb]

I'd say it's pretty big if it's in the FAQ. That's why a FAQ exists, to get a clear answer for stuff like that.

Also it's not like they don't mention it anywhere else.

With this software update, we’ll enable access and you’ll be able to enjoy free,unlimited use of the Tesla Supercharger network.

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/software_update_1.15.8.pdf

And the definition of the Tesla Supercharger network according to the same page is:

Tesla’s Supercharger network is a game changer for electric vehicles, providing long distance travel that has a level of convenience equivalent to gasoline cars for all practical purposes


So yes, you have free, unlimited use of this thing that provides long distance travel.


Check.

 

[AmpedRealtor]

The rules are simple. Charge wherever, whenever, and however much you like. If you are a local, that's fine, but don't be a dick and use the stall if other stalls are occupied and someone needs it more than you.

 

[callmesam]

The rules are simple. Charge wherever, whenever, and however much you like. If you are a local, that's fine, but don't be a dick and use the stall if other stalls are occupied and someone needs it more than you.

nice. But next time with either:

a. More self loathing

or

b. More moral condemnation.

 

[dsm363]

Supercharging - Elon's statement that Daily Supercharging Users are Receiving...

The only way to know if people need it more than you is to ask though. So to add to your rules when someone else pulls up and all the spots are full do you quiz the person arriving? What if you don't believe them when they say they aren't local or really 'need' the charge? Need is relative just like 'local' seems to be relative apparently.

 

[dsm363]

Supercharging - Elon's statement that Daily Supercharging Users are Receiving...

nice. But next time with either:

a. More self loathing

or

b. More moral condemnation.

Thank you for your excellent analysis.

 

[longlake.ra]

What does the term freeloader mean?

 

[lloyds]

I guess it's a good thing that Elon mentioned this. I stay away from the superchargers just because there is almost always a line. As Tesla sells more cars, this will inevitably be an issue.

 

[BoerumHill]

What does the term freeloader mean?

Free travel forever powered by sunshine!

[from the launch announcement 09/24/2012]

 

[scaesare]

nice. But next time with either:

a. More self loathing

or

b. More moral condemnation.

Your sweeping and insulting generalizations in previous comments, and rhetoric such as in this response undermine any credibility you might be trying to build.

 

[AnxietyRanger]

My point was it was not a feature they really advertised and notably absent in their front/supercharger page ads. The FAQ mention is taken out of context and doesn't use the "unlimited" wording. In fact it's really tough to dig for examples where they used "unlimited" whereas it's extremely easy to find references to long distance and roadtrips in all their ads (and I'm referring to even before Elon's recent statement by looking at the internet archive). However, people here has chosen to focus on them advertising "free unlimited superchargers" when it is extremely rare that that they use that wording and when they do it is buried somewhere.

Again, all those Tesla sales people were saying unlimited, no qualifications. There is enough evidence for me to believe this is - or at least was - a wider phenomenon than anecdotal. Tesla is responsible for them, no dealerships as you know.

Also, the context you allude is very vague in my mind. If Tesla had intended to make a clear distinction on this being "road trips only", it would have been trivial for them to say so.

They didn't so say, until now.

Why? I speculate the vague message was better marketing for the car. Maybe now they regret it - or maybe they don't and TMC just made a bigger deal out of Elon's comments and slight changes to Tesla PR - but either way they are now clarifying something they didn't before.

And we didn't even go to the urban city-dweller Superchargers and taxi fleets supported by Tesla yet...

 

[AnxietyRanger]

This thread reminds me of this - even down to the counter-arguments to the bait and switch angle.

Change of Policy on Tesla Ranger Service - Page 4

 

[dsm363]

Again, there is no bait and switch. Elon simply asked those who use the Supercharger as their personal garage instead of their actual garage to please charge at home when then can. Did you miss that mentioned a few times in this thread?

 

[scaesare]

This thread reminds me of this - even down to the counter-arguments to the bait and switch angle.

Change of Policy on Tesla Ranger Service - Page 4

I turned this thread in to a drinking game about a week ago.

As of this post, my liver is officially shot...

 

[JimmyAZ]

I turned this thread in to a drinking game about a week ago.

As of this post, my liver is officially shot...

Please let the rest of us know more about this game! I need validation for the shot of tequila awaiting me. Oh wait, it's Friday, I'm nearly done with work, and SCOTUS just made my day. But still, I love a good drinking game!