Switzerland

[46&2]

Finally I arrived in here, in the Swiss thread, and should therefore intruduce myself:

After thinking about it for more than a year, and arguing about whether to buy one or not, I ordered my Tesla Model S in Oct. It will be my first (own) car - but been driving for a long time.


Personal:
- resident in Dielsdorf, ZH, Switzerland - that's quite close to Zurich airport ZRH.
- 36 years old, married since 2012
- we're a small, happy family now: our baby girl was born in June, 2014.
- expert in pension funds, collective live insurances, actuary-related stuff...
- interested in sports
- hobbies: playing snooker, photography


on Order:
- 85D black
- panoramic roof
- interior: carbon
- dual chargers
- tech package
- smart air suspension
- 19inch standard rims
- subzero weather package (Jan. 07)


Last week, I added the Winter package to my order, via e-mail to the delivery specialist Reno some of you might know. Today on Jan. 12 I got a VIN in myTesla.





| ordered: Oct 29, 2014 | confirmed: Nov 04 | pruduction cue: Nov 13 | in production: __.__. | on transport: __.__. | est. delivery: April 2015 | VIN: ...FFP726xx (Jan. 12)

 

[Tetrikus]

I'll do the same as 46&2 already did and will introduce myself to this forum. I've confirmed my order yesterday and now I'm asking myself, what to do, until it's May - any ideas?
After driving quite a few Mazda's in the past years, I recently decided to change the brand.

Some facts about me:
- Registration year: 1984
- Living in Zug, Switzerland
- Working as a UX Designer / eCommerce in Zurich
- Passionate photographer

My Order:
- Model S 85D, black
- Panoramic roof
- Dual Charger
- Tech Package
- Smart Air Suspension
- UHFS
- 21inch gray turbine rims

I'm happy to be (or to become) a part of the family. See you on the road!

 

[AziwA]

Hello Swiss tesla owners

My first posting here. I have been considering a Tesla model S for over a year and am about to order one in the next month or so. I live outside Zurich

I would be very interested to hear some of your experiences overall with Tesla in Switzerland. Specifically I have the following questions:

1) Do you find the current supercharger network to meet your needs
2) Do you use other EV charging infrastructures, if so which ones?
3) Do you find there are other side benefits to owning a Tesla (e.g. free parking in certain locations due to having an EV?)
4) How did you install charging in your home parking? I live in an apartment and have a shared garage. Are any of you in the same situation? how did you negotiate installing charging with a apartment owners and negotiate paying of the electricity you use to charge your tesla?
5) Can you identify any negative aspects of owning a Tesla in Switzerland?

If you have any other input I would really appreciate. Its a lot of information to process for a very big decision!

I hope to possibly meet up with some of you in the future at Tesla events possibly

I'll do the same as 46&2 already did and will introduce myself to this forum. I've confirmed my order yesterday and now I'm asking myself, what to do, until it's May - any ideas?
After driving quite a few Mazda's in the past years, I recently decided to change the brand.

Some facts about me:
- Registration year: 1984
- Living in Zug, Switzerland
- Working as a UX Designer / eCommerce in Zurich
- Passionate photographer

My Order:
- Model S 85D, black
- Panoramic roof
- Dual Charger
- Tech Package
- Smart Air Suspension
- UHFS
- 21inch gray turbine rims

I'm happy to be (or to become) a part of the family. See you on the road!

 

[Sad]

Hello Swiss tesla owners
1) Do you find the current supercharger network to meet your needs
2) Do you use other EV charging infrastructures, if so which ones?
3) Do you find there are other side benefits to owning a Tesla (e.g. free parking in certain locations due to having an EV?)
4) How did you install charging in your home parking? I live in an apartment and have a shared garage. Are any of you in the same situation? how did you negotiate installing charging with a apartment owners and negotiate paying of the electricity you use to charge your tesla?
5) Can you identify any negative aspects of owning a Tesla in Switzerland?

1) Absolutely, in my case, Egerkingen and Lully are perfectly placed to enable trouble-free travel between the Zürich area and the Geneva area. The roads to Wallis, Ticino and Graubünden are now supercharged as well, but I haven't tested those yet. And let's not forget the supercharger in France very close to Geneva, very useful for me who visits the French part quite often (I live in the canton of Schwyz). From an availability point of view, I never had a technical issue, and superchargers were never busy, far from it.

2) Almost never, but it really depends on your needs. In Switzerland, I find the Type 2 stations quite practical (used them a few times as stop gap, when there weren't any superchargers yet), and the new Chademo adapter opens up further possibilities, but not necessarily at very convenient locations (e.g. Nissan dealers).

3) None so far, I actually pay more vehicle tax for my Tesla than my 6L V8 Corvette, thanks to the backwards system of canton SZ. In other cantons, you can save quite a bit on this tax.

4) I don't have this issue as I own my garage, but I'd be interested to hear how the discussion goes. You'll have to install a red industrial plug (400V/16A) anyway, normal 10A plugs are fairly useless.

5) Surprisingly, the size is not really an issue in most cases, the car is very easy to handle sizewise. No Switzerland-specific drawback I can think of (of course, the non-supercharger charging infrastructure could be better, this is not NL or NO, but frankly, it's unlikely you'll have to use it very often).

 

[AziwA]

Hi Sad

Thanks this was a very interesting response. I am very glad to hear that the supercharger network seems to be adequate. I also will be travelling fairly regularly to Geneva as you suggest, Lully is a great stop.

Its crazy that you have to pay more than a Corvette... I hope they change the rule soon!

Installing a plug in a shared (and not owned by me) parking garage is my biggest concern. I hope some other users will share their experience.

What do you mean by this is not NL or NO?

Again, thanks for your response

 

[AnalysiZ]

Hi,

I am planning a roadtrip with 4-5 Tesla's from Belgium and the Netherlands from 8-10 May.
Day one (8 May) we will travel to Lago Maggiore, and on day 3 we will travel back, probably from St. Anton...

The most interesting part should be day 2 (May the 9th) as we would like to do a trip along Lago Lugano / Como and then to St Moritz and ending in St Anton.
This is the General Idea:

Questions:

* Is this possible? I mean, are any problems to be expected on these roads for Tesla's? (width or otherwise?)
* Should we consider alternatives? (to make it even more beautiful like going towards Sondrio first or....? driving back to Luzern from St. Moritz or....?)
* Is there a Local Hero who could accompany us during that day to guide us and to make the roadtrip even more special and international?

I am planning to organize more spontaneous road-trips like this, so help will always be rewarded


Thank you / Danke Danke Viele Male / Merci beaucoup / Grazie Mille,

John

 

[Sad]

What do you mean by this is not NL or NO?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant that the (non-Tesla) public charging infrastructure is not comparable to what one can find in the Netherlands or Norway, where from what I read charging ports can be found almost everywhere.

 

[AziwA]

Ah yes now I understand. Thank you:smile:

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant that the (non-Tesla) public charging infrastructure is not comparable to what one can find in the Netherlands or Norway, where from what I read charging ports can be found almost everywhere.

 

[Alfred]

Should be a very pleasant drive. You can charge fully at the Supercharger near Lugano (Monte Ceneri). Lugano to St. Moritz are just 130 Km or so and you will again have a Supercharger in St.Moritz. The roads are OK, just keep a tab on the weather forecasts. Maloja is not very high (1800m msl), but high enough to get snow in bad weather. Plan perhaps for a stop-over at famous Villa d'Este on the shores of Lake Como. Leave perhaps a message at the Swiss Tesla Owners Club.

 

[46&2]

Hello Swiss tesla owners

My first posting here. I have been considering a Tesla model S for over a year and am about to order one in the next month or so. I live outside Zurich

I would be very interested to hear some of your experiences overall with Tesla in Switzerland. Specifically I have the following questions:

1) Do you find the current supercharger network to meet your needs
2) Do you use other EV charging infrastructures, if so which ones?
3) Do you find there are other side benefits to owning a Tesla (e.g. free parking in certain locations due to having an EV?)
4) How did you install charging in your home parking? I live in an apartment and have a shared garage. Are any of you in the same situation? how did you negotiate installing charging with a apartment owners and negotiate paying of the electricity you use to charge your tesla?
5) Can you identify any negative aspects of owning a Tesla in Switzerland?

If you have any other input I would really appreciate. Its a lot of information to process for a very big decision!

I hope to possibly meet up with some of you in the future at Tesla events possibly

Hello!

I'm not an owner yet, but soon to be...

1) / 2)
I think, personally I won't use the superchargers very often, as I don't drive outside of Switzerland very often. I'll charge at home and reach home every night when at work. Most traveled distance in Switzerland: Dielsdorf -> Grindelwald, which is possible with one charge. There I can plug it in again, or maybe even drive home without charging at all, I don't know yet for sure.
Other charging infrastructure I don't plan on using often, too. I can reach about every location with one full charge, and get back, from where I live. As long as it is in the North/East part of Switzerland where I normally stay.

4)
Best is to ask the apartment owners directly about the electricity installations needed in the garage. Maybe they'll want you to (at least) share costs, but for sure it's an investment for the future.
My home charging solution is installed in our own garage (and outside of it, sort of 'doubled'). But I have to use someone else's connection there, which made me install a separate meter. I can pay for exactly what I took.

5)
Negative aspects? Hmm... can't judge on that, yet. Maybe people think it's too expensive? And of course, it's a bit large. Considering small parking lots often found in cities.

3)
Benefits? I'll never go to a fuel/gas station again. Not wasting time stopping for that on my daily ride to work. Not once a week, not once every few days - never. Considering our quite cheap electricity rates (as compared to Germany), one saves quite a bit on gas. And, of course, on service costs...
You'll get thumbs up, will be asked questions about it, I guess. But, as said, I cannot speak of personal experience, yet.

 

[Alfred]

Hello Swiss tesla owners

My first posting here. I have been considering a Tesla model S for over a year and am about to order one in the next month or so. I live outside Zurich

I would be very interested to hear some of your experiences overall with Tesla in Switzerland. Specifically I have the following questions:

1) Do you find the current supercharger network to meet your needs
2) Do you use other EV charging infrastructures, if so which ones?
3) Do you find there are other side benefits to owning a Tesla (e.g. free parking in certain locations due to having an EV?)
4) How did you install charging in your home parking? I live in an apartment and have a shared garage. Are any of you in the same situation? how did you negotiate installing charging with a apartment owners and negotiate paying of the electricity you use to charge your tesla?
5) Can you identify any negative aspects of owning a Tesla in Switzerland?

If you have any other input I would really appreciate. Its a lot of information to process for a very big decision!

I hope to possibly meet up with some of you in the future at Tesla events possibly

As to your point 4):
Always ask for an ordinary CEE 3x16A (red) plug and never for a "car charging station". So the apartment block owners can visualize something simple and will not ask an engineering company to do a study. A study would inevitably result in the offer of a multipurpose, universal, huge green painted contraption at remarkably high costs.
Just concede, if need be, the serial installation of a small counter to allow for payment. Again - careful - not a counter that has to be "certified", as it could become something to be mounted by the local electricity board with a separate account that would be more expensive again with higher prices and additional connection charges.

 

[46&2]

Good points, worth to consider. But once the electrician shows up (or passes by to have a look, prior to send you an offer), tell HIM that you plan on charging a car. The wiring must be of sufficient dimension.

 

[AnalysiZ]

Should be a very pleasant drive. You can charge fully at the Supercharger near Lugano (Monte Ceneri). Lugano to St. Moritz are just 130 Km or so and you will again have a Supercharger in St.Moritz. The roads are OK, just keep a tab on the weather forecasts. Maloja is not very high (1800m msl), but high enough to get snow in bad weather. Plan perhaps for a stop-over at famous Villa d'Este on the shores of Lake Como. Leave perhaps a message at the Swiss Tesla Owners Club.

Thank you for responding. I have even looked at an overnight stop @ villa d'este but it would be a little bit above budget:frown:...

At this moment we are with 6 cars (1 from Belgium / 5 from the Netherlands) and 9 persons (might become max of 12 as I do not want more than 6 cars on this trip) so we are also looking for alternative accommodation preferably Locarno / Ascona / Brissago with enough parking space and a little bit less costly than villa 'd'este.... So ideas are welcome...

How is charging @ st Moritz? I see that it is in a garage, is it possible to enter without scratching the 21" wheels?

Also thank you for the tip regarding the Swiss forum. One of the other drivers will post there shortly....

 

[Alfred]

Thank you for responding. I have even looked at an overnight stop @ villa d'este but it would be a little bit above budget:frown:...

At this moment we are with 6 cars (1 from Belgium / 5 from the Netherlands) and 9 persons (might become max of 12 as I do not want more than 6 cars on this trip) so we are also looking for alternative accommodation preferably Locarno / Ascona / Brissago with enough parking space and a little bit less costly than villa 'd'este.... So ideas are welcome...

How is charging @ st Moritz? I see that it is in a garage, is it possible to enter without scratching the 21" wheels?

Also thank you for the tip regarding the Swiss forum. One of the other drivers will post there shortly....

I have not yet used the chargers (4 Superchargers) in St.Moritz. I hope someone else will butt in. Have a look at lemnet.org. Some of the chargers there need an RFID card that has to be obtained during business hours.

 

[AziwA]

46&2, Alfred, thank you both for your valuable input.
Really good points on not mentioning car charging to the landlord to avoid an overly complex situation.

Im in the final stages of deciding if this is the right car, but I think my mind is made up - I will be joining the swiss roads with my tesla before the end of the year (hopefully sooner than that even!)

 

[Jacina]

I asked my landlord if I could use the existing plug to charge, and move my spot to the one next to it. Both were okd without any issues. I think its best to inform, instead of having to react to issues when someone complains. If you do use power from a shared garage and don't pay something seperately, you are letting the other tenants pay part of your costs. This is bound to give you issues.

 

[46&2]

It really depends, of course.
When you got to ask a board of 25 parties, it is easiest to tell them one gets a 400/16 outlet done, and basta. Electrician has got to think about wiring diameters, and there you go.

If you have fewer people to convince, ... Might be a different story.


BTW:
In Production! In Production! In Production!
oh what a wonderful day...

 

[AziwA]

Hi all,

Quick question:

Have any of you driven from Geneva to Zurich (or reverse) on one charge without stopping in lully? By my calculations its 279km total distance which should be comfortably in the range of the S85D. However I was in the tesla showroom in a P85D and programmed the GPS from zurich to geneva and the nav said it would not have enough charge to reach it.

It should be easy to do this with no supercharger stop but wanted to ask people who have tried it in the real world before committing - I am planning an S85D

Thank you!

By the way: 46&2, congratulations on your car entering production! keep us updated!

 

[felixtb]

Hi all,

Quick question:

Have any of you driven from Geneva to Zurich (or reverse) on one charge without stopping in lully? By my calculations its 279km total distance which should be comfortably in the range of the S85D. However I was in the tesla showroom in a P85D and programmed the GPS from zurich to geneva and the nav said it would not have enough charge to reach it.

It should be easy to do this with no supercharger stop but wanted to ask people who have tried it in the real world before committing - I am planning an S85D

Thank you!

By the way: 46&2, congratulations on your car entering production! keep us updated!

I have never done Geneva Zurich but I do Morges Winterthur often and always arrive with more than 100km of estimated range left so I suspect that Geneva Zurich should be no problems. I usually keep a speed around the limits (give or take a few percent )

 

[AziwA]

Thanks Felixtb, good to know! I looked at google maps and Morges -> Winterthur is 249km. My route is 273km so only 24km more than yours so should be fine! Also good to know you do the speed limit and still have spare range, I would go crazy if I had to do 100 the whole way.

Does your P85+ have the same range as a S85D? I assume the S85D would get a few extra miles?

Thanks for the input :smile: