Another good reason to add the lane confirmation. More of us would be willing to test FSD and to leave MLC off if lane changes could be set to require confirmation. They would get more data. Better data, even, since we may not choose to override anything that is harmless but still wrong (Ex: if there are no cars around me often I'll let it ping pong back and forth).
That's the thing though. As a coder of long standing I assert that this is not even Beta code. Beta code is when you have it very close to done, but want some outside testing to try and catch outlier bugs. If there are known limitations, you warn the testers, and it's generally expected the testers -won't- try those features. Tesla doesn't need Beta testers to show that it has a problem with making wrong lane changes. It happens to me every time I drive. If there wasn't the option to turn on MLC, I'd be opting out of the beta program and revert to whatever counts as EAP these days.
Yeah. I have a theory why they are calling it beta and why they won't add lane change confirmation back in. It has to do with Elon's management style, which has it's merits but tends to leave him surrounded by yes-men. I suspect to add lane confirmation back, someone will have to admit to Elon that it really isn't "almost there" (i.e. beta) which has a high probability of them getting fired and missing out on another year of lucrative stock options vesting.
Or change to a profile using FSD instead of FSDb? Or try the min lane change option?
I find the minimal lane change very helpful on the highway but the way the scroll wheel works is not intuitive. Which ever way I move the scroll wheel moves the setting in the same direction. For example, if the setting is on average and I move the scroll wheel to the right the setting becomes assertive. Move to the left and it becomes chill. So if I want to keep the setting at average I have to toggle the scroll wheel again after I change the setting for minimal lane changes. Is this how it works for everyone else?
Well, slap me along side the head. I thought it was just stupidly defaulting to Assertive. I must always be pushing the control to the right. I was setting it back to Average with a button touch, not realizing the wheel left-right was changing it. Although, I have to punch the MLC button anyway.
Found it! On the Raven powertrains, the steering wheel stalk used to control the following-distance has been re-tasked with this functionality (you still have to select 'Minimal Lane Changes on the window that pops up, though).
My 21 prerefresh X right scroll used to control fan speed (useful), now it changes cabin temp (not useful, I rarely change it). Now I need to change the fan in the menu, pita. MLC being there is not convenient, but at least it’s just once per drive. I used to change fan speed often, last update screwed that up.
That is too bad. I thought with the introduction of the Model 3/Y-like scroll wheels to the (Palladium powertrain) Model S/X, they would be given the same functionality.
yea, I have that problem on one of the roads here. It wants to get in the left lane even if NO traffic !!! So it wants to get in the left lane for no reason. And in 1/2 mile it will need to turn right .
No such luck, long press still brings up options but fan speed isn’t one of them, Temp is default now.
not this again
Okay, I'll bite.not this again
News Flash - Tesla have said over and over again that "Self Driving" doesn't imply the car can drive itself, so the word "Full" in this context is meaningless.
"Full Self Driving" can only be used as a term to relate to a Tesla feature and should only be used with all three words with no specific meaning attached to them.
Attempting to extract the word "Full" in this context is irrelevant.
Stop trying to apply grammar rules to something that doesn't itself imply function.
If we are to extract "Full" from the name and make it mean something, then we must also apply the same rules to "Self Driving" which the Tesla always says it is not capable of doing.
According to Tesla the car is never driving itself and the driver is always in charge, so the car cannot be "Self Driving", "Full" or otherwise.
The operative qualifier is "beta" . It is clear that once finished it is intended to be FSD. Robo-taxis. Elon has even commented several times on his intention to remove the steering wheel. However it isn't ready now so they indicate such by clearly stating it is beta and requires supervision. We can debate whether they should have called it "alpha" instead of "beta" but there is nothing wrong with the name since that is what they are trying to deliver.
You know, I always suspected they introduced the yoke steering wheel for a move in that direction - press a button, and the steering wheel retracts into the knee bolster or something. It's harder to 'stow away' a round steering wheel versus a yoke.
to be clear, it isn't marketing statements they are having to clean up, its Elon making wild unattainable future-thinks that are picked up as statements of direction. Yet when they get called out on FSD not being self driving they back pedal and call it L2 driver assistance and that FSD is only meant as feature name and not functionality. (remember that "Self Driving" cannot be L2)
