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Tesla Service says my Tesla Model S 2013 60 kw Main battery needs to be replaced
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GHammer
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He addresses this in this thread and no he doesn't believe Tesla is under obligation to recall over this.
Vendor - Preventative Maintenance regarding Battery Failures in early Model S vehicles (2012-2014)
There are some definite trends with early battery packs failing in earlier Model S vehicles... from day 1 builds up to about Q4'2014 and some even Q1'2015... and any cars that have had Tesla-refurbished packs installed. The issues are all pretty much the same thing in one form or another...
teslamotorsclub.com
Thanks GHammer for the reference. I saw 057 statement "Depending on the level of moisture measured, we'll also offer the option of a full rebuild of the battery pack. This would be a longer process and a bit more expensive, but we would then inspect and test all of the 100+ sense connections within the battery, update other components as needed (contactors, fuse, etc), and basically do a full refurbishment on the battery pack. While we're not going to in any way require customers to go this route, the issue is that the ultrasonic welds Tesla uses on the sense connections are pretty sensitive to moisture and can fail unexpectedly even after we remove internal moisture and correct the underlying ingress issues. Once above a certain amount of moisture, which we believe we have sufficient data to have honed in on, that failure is pretty much imminent, even if it can be delayed. "He addresses this in this thread and no he doesn't believe Tesla is under obligation to recall over this.
Vendor - Preventative Maintenance regarding Battery Failures in early Model S vehicles (2012-2014)
There are some definite trends with early battery packs failing in earlier Model S vehicles... from day 1 builds up to about Q4'2014 and some even Q1'2015... and any cars that have had Tesla-refurbished packs installed. The issues are all pretty much the same thing in one form or another...
I still am suspicious of Tesla for not letting me see the battery pack. I wanted to see the corrosion and fuse box. The fact that Tesla didn't want me to take a picture shows some wrongdoing.
DJRas
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Agreed that there is no recall concerning this. The Tesla fires were cited in my lawsuit as the likely reason for the voltage capping. However, I cannot confirm or deny that this is the case from our discovery.
I DO believe this SHOULD be a recall.
I also believe that Tesla SHOULD do a recall that requires everyone to be updated to 2021 rev firmware for the improved battery diagnostic and charging profiles. There are still MANY cars that have not done the latest updates.
jebinc
Well-Known Member
Not sure what you concluded, but I just caught up with this one and concluded that @AprilDelivery?? seems to have quite a bit of expectation of responses to questions from people they specifically talked down to earlier in the thread.
Yes ,I remembered in 2019 I complained to Tesla that after the software update my range went down like 10-15 miles. Now also when I got the 75kw replacement refurbished battery I only get 215-6 max. range on it. I think Tesla limited my range because on a 75kw I should be getting like 220-230+ not 215. Probably because of that issue with the corrosion , and maybe the fire issue.
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing your claim that Tesla issued you a $625 check because your "S60" was also eligible.
jebinc
Well-Known Member
I was told by Tesla I’d have to replace my battery pack. $22,000 estimate. Instead I sent the car to EV-Recell to find out my battery pack was perfectly fine and the bus and connections is where the issue was located and thru them I saved a lot of money!From what I have seen, and I think @wk057 has said, 2012/2013 packs are pretty much guaranteed to fail especially in states that salt the roads. 2014-2015, and maybe 2016?, packs are a little better but not much. And 2017+ packs appear to have the most common issues resolved. (Hopefully he will come correct what I got wrong.)
It really pays to:
- get a 2nd opinion
- not believe what a proprietary service center says is gospel
- have outside experts who are not affiliated to a brand/person/or publicly traded stock
My guess is that one of the next hurdles for mass EV adoption is the sustainability, longevity, and affordable support. If most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck regardless of income, a $22K cost of repair is not going work for most people. I imagine separating the acquisition cost and insuring the vehicle and the battery pack might make sense, and for experts to find cost-effective fixes/revisions in place of expensive and limited component replacements.
dark cloud
Active Member
Are they updating the side rail vents and drain hoses while it is there?
Recell inspects the side rails, vents and drain hoses on every pack - if replacement is needed we automagically include that as part of any repair/replacement.
You think u could have fixed my battery pack, cause the main issue was the fuse box corrosion, and Tesla wouldn't let me see the battery pack which I own. I was only having this problem on July 20 when it was hot outside and I was using the A/C ,maybe A/C hose was leaking on the battery pack. I wasn't having this problem in the winter when I wasn't using the A/C, its weird. Have you had cases like mine with fuse box corrosion and you fixed it and it worked?
obviously every circumstance will be different, but as we outlined in an example earlier, there are certainly instances where cleanup of the main fuse box, thorough inspection, analysis and testing of the pack (did we mention that we love data? ) has resulted in an otherwise perfectly good pack getting back on the road.
) has resulted in an otherwise perfectly good pack getting back on the road.
ok thank you but why would Tesla service not let me see the battery pack in my Model S. Probably don't want to get sued for faulty battery pack design, leaking A/C hose onto battery pack which cause corrosion, right ?obviously every circumstance will be different, but as we outlined in an example earlier, there are certainly instances where cleanup of the main fuse box, thorough inspection, analysis and testing of the pack (did we mention that we love data?
GHammer
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Dude, give it a rest already. Nobody is going to be able to give you an answer beyond worthless speculation. The moment you agreed to the battery replacement the old battery was no longer yours, it was Teslas as a core return.
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