Same. But when I look on my laptop in this page format it appears as Plaid+.
Sarah's dad is named is Mark!
...I'd suggest hiding some of that info. TSLAQ is all over this place.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Sarah's dad is named is Mark!
...I'd suggest hiding some of that info. TSLAQ is all over this place.
There is a long list of factors.
There are three easy reasons:
1. Model S has had a large amount of Mercedes Benz suspension, switchgear, HVAC among other things. All of those were originally expensive and have become cheaper but many still are there.
2. The Model S design was made largely following Mercedes Benz design approaches, which are classically complex, with high parts counts and long assembly processes for parts provided by outside suppliers.
3. Then consider simply the difference between design approaches in 2020 vs 2009. Industrial design transformed during that decade due to improved CAD and CAM. Tesla has improved faster than has anyone else.
All the rest is details. I would be amazed were the GM's of the new S and X to be less than 35%. They will be much, much better and much, much cheaper.
This is all fairly clear. What is less clear is all the 'secret sauce'.
I think these should not be called 'refresh'. They are entirely new vehicles, built to preserve mostly similar appearance to the former ones.
In my opinion, a look at the interior alone makes it clear that this is a new vehicle. There is far too much difference to be compatible with a refresh.
As usual, these are my opinions. I am not presenting them as facts, although I do believe they are factual.
jkirkwood001
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Despite the mothballed project costing Canadian taxpayers like me, @Artful Dodger, and other Cdn TMC members billions of dollars (we're 10x smaller than US, so think relatively of 10s of billions of US$), I'm in favour of this cancellation for the primary reason everyone else on this forum is - NO MORE FOSSIL FUEL PROJECTS.
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Pezpunk
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Your sig says you ordered the Plaid+ in September 2020 -- how did you manage to order it 4 months before it was announced or revealed or available in the configurator?
jkirkwood001
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Wow - +$50,000 for a bigger battery and a 3rd motor?? As an investor, I really like that.
StealthP3D
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To me, the big improvement in society going from ICE to EV is that we can breathe clean air. Unless you are on a highway that is empty, you are breathing the toxic exhaust of all the cars in front of you. This is one major reason why a driver feels fatigued after being on the freeway for an extended period of time. It also impacts people in cities who never get in a car. It's not just fatigue, people actually get diseases and die from breathing toxic exhaust fumes. We all grew up around cars so it seems normal and harmless but it is far from it.
Of course, the longer-term benefit is probably even greater, that of slowing global warming and the associated sea level rise. This is a problem for us now but the real problem is one we are leaving to future generations. So, no, it's not simply replacing a car with a "slightly nicer" car. It's a huge fundamental improvement in the quality of the lives of every human in existence (including those not born yet).
Consumer prices jump 5% in May, fastest pace since the summer of 2008
The 3.8% rise in the core inflation rate, which excludes food and energy prices, was the sharpest increase in nearly three decades.www.cnbc.com
Let's see how market reacts.
S&P 500 climbs to a new record close, shrugging off inflation fears
Data Thursday showed consumer prices for May accelerated at their fastest pace since the summer of 2008.
www.cnbc.com
Same as me. Ordered "Plaid" when they unveiled it at Battery Day. Once they did the refresh they converted those orders to Plaid+.
Pezpunk
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my mistake. i ordered on battery day as well. for some reason i was thinking it was in January.
This can’t hurt:
“Group of Seven leaders are discussing ambitious plans to shift the balance of car buying away from gasoline to greener vehicles by the end of the decade, as part of a package of measures to combat climate change.
Under one proposal contained in a document seen by Bloomberg, G-7 governments would “strive” to ensure that the majority of all new passenger car sales are not petrol or diesel-powered “by 2030 or sooner.” Countries are divided on how specific the measures should be.”
“Group of Seven leaders are discussing ambitious plans to shift the balance of car buying away from gasoline to greener vehicles by the end of the decade, as part of a package of measures to combat climate change.
Under one proposal contained in a document seen by Bloomberg, G-7 governments would “strive” to ensure that the majority of all new passenger car sales are not petrol or diesel-powered “by 2030 or sooner.” Countries are divided on how specific the measures should be.”
At the very least they need to figure out their timelines. The BMW guy rightly says that it could take up to a decade to go from a working prototype solid state battery to a factory producing millions of cells. AFAIK, we still do not see a solid state battery at 100% proof of concept which you can then begin to work into volume production.R.I.P. BMW.
I'm sure by the late 2020s when BMW wants to get into the scene with solid state batteries there are going to leapfrog everyone and win back all their market share they lost over the last decade/s
Why BMW Won’t Build Its Own Gigafactory
As automakers rush ahead with a lithium-ion arms race, BMW is looking further ahead.www.thedrive.com
Then he claims by the late 20s (7-8 years?) there will be making large scale production of the SSB that does not exist yet which will allow them to leapfrog the competition. This is definitely a dangerous position to take.
It seems that the gap between the ‘traditional’ Li Ion batteries and the SSB projections has been steadily closing. The batteries made now will continue to improve in performance and to decline in price. Even if BMW succeeds in leapfrogging the dominant batteries at some point, how far behind will their costs be in comparison? How much better will the SSBs be at that time? Most importantly, what kind of volume BEVs will BMW be producing and selling?
I would agree that BMW is not thinking straight . OTOH, Germany would probably never allow them to go bankrupt, and that may well be what is at play here. Risk it all, but no worries if you fail.
There is also the power adjustable rear wing, and who knows what else...
CPI is so skewed right now. Last year my niece still travelled occasionally. She was on near empty flights flying back and forth from San Francisco to Chicago and San Francisco to Dallas. She was paying under $100 each way. It was crazy cheap. My son started a position with Americorp in Juneau last July and airfare was under $400. My wife visited in September for $500. My youngest son and I visiting in July and we paid about $1000 for each ticket. Stuff like airfare was being almost given away in 2020. Really should be comparing prices with 2019 not 2020.
jkirkwood001
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Agreed. I'm just thinking upgrades of significant cost.
The margin on the Plaid upgrade has got to be... what, $30,000 more profit? $35,000?
Hmmmm, I just checked my Plaid+ reservation on my Tesla account and I now have a MVOA for a Plaid… at the Plaid+ price. Confusing.
Edit: Removed screenshot, TMI
Ordered Plaid+ in May…MVOA still Plaid+.
StealthP3D
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When did you first notice that you perceived someone as a threat simply because they were mentally unstable?
StealthP3D
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I see it differently. Our government just SAVED Canadians billions of dollars. Keystone XL was a folly from the get go.
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Shrouded vehicle and frame(?) at test track.
And of course Tesla, with its history of being static isn't going to do anything disruptive in the next decade so BMW will have an easy time of this. Assuming BMW isn't bankwupt before the magic BMW batteries reach production. Even Germany can only socialize corporate stupidity so much.
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