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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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rexki
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Sounds like the Logistics might be the real word that underpins this string of emails. The Freemont (factory pickups) large party tent with the Sales tax waiver form for out of state driver pickups would easily take 10% of the load off the long distance logistics system and allow for smoother flows for over the Rockies destinations.
More reflections on that utterly nauseating Slate article by Scott Woolley on how Tesla was worse than Solyndra. From the article's summary final paragraph:
Here’s hoping that proves true. In the meantime, the question of how to compensate taxpayers for Tesla-esque successes remains a distinct issue, one that the government would do well to pay more attention to the next time it plays venture capitalist.
No, Mr Woolley, that question most certainly does not remain "an issue". The marvelous success that is Tesla means that just this past month US taxpayers have been massively compensated by many billions just from one person alone, and the other resultant dollars that are and will be flowing to the US Treasury over the decades to come from the hundreds of billions - or trillions - of capital gains taxes are exactly the perfect kind of outcome that thoughtfully-considered pump-priming by the government is capitalism, occasionally tweaked by government, providing a win-win for all: US taxpayers AND private shareholders.
Were Mr Woolley's ill-thought-out platform to have occurred, then the resultant seats on Tesla's corporate board would have engendered the kind of governmental oversight damper that, far from championing pioneering activity, squelches same and ensures mediocrity. Germany's experience so clearly being shown with Volkswagen right now is the perfect counter-example that further provides proof of same.
Here’s hoping that proves true. In the meantime, the question of how to compensate taxpayers for Tesla-esque successes remains a distinct issue, one that the government would do well to pay more attention to the next time it plays venture capitalist.
No, Mr Woolley, that question most certainly does not remain "an issue". The marvelous success that is Tesla means that just this past month US taxpayers have been massively compensated by many billions just from one person alone, and the other resultant dollars that are and will be flowing to the US Treasury over the decades to come from the hundreds of billions - or trillions - of capital gains taxes are exactly the perfect kind of outcome that thoughtfully-considered pump-priming by the government is capitalism, occasionally tweaked by government, providing a win-win for all: US taxpayers AND private shareholders.
Were Mr Woolley's ill-thought-out platform to have occurred, then the resultant seats on Tesla's corporate board would have engendered the kind of governmental oversight damper that, far from championing pioneering activity, squelches same and ensures mediocrity. Germany's experience so clearly being shown with Volkswagen right now is the perfect counter-example that further provides proof of same.
I love it. Ignore the market noise and disconnect - I'm used to the silly market swings anyway. Let's Go!
They've gotta get their suppliers onboard as well. This could be transformational in the future of supply chains.
This is the sound of plugging in a Hoover.
In other words, Tesla is moving product availability into the incentive window. This maximizes benefits for Tesla customers, but may hurt the stock price, temporarily.
He has some sort of margin incentive. I expect it does not jeopardize that.
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Look how much avo you've got on there! you must be one of those who answered "prefer not to say" on @jkirkwood001's survey.
dhanson865
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@Opus BC fan
Most any web browser these days has an "open link in private window" option or a way to start a private window. No need to go to a separate browser or PC.
In Chrome it's called "incognito" instead of "private". Either way it would let you take the survey without being logged in.
Todd Burch
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The last number we saw was around 11,000 beta testers as of a few weeks ago. We knew this because the “software recall” that was issued after-the-fact to retract 10.3 (after Tesla already had put out 10.3.1) mentioned that approximately 11,000 cars were affected.
dhanson865
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The author of that article is completely wrong about the US government not getting a share of Tesla's success. The government is the *only* entity that automatically receives 30% from Tesla's profits, 20-50% from Tesla's employees, and on top of that, about 10% sales taxes in most places for vehicles sold.
Who needs a 5% equity stake when the government is already entitled to many times more than that?
I can't help but wonder if this email from Elon is related to my Model Y delivery moving from Aug '22 to Nov '21. Specifically, could Elon be trying to provide cover for a sudden drop off in demand due to buyers delaying until next year because they want the rebate?
That's what I'm doing and I might even cancel my order then re-up.
Some people are more about control than success. I will leave it at that.
TheTalkingMule
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Easy there fella, a typical Tesla employee is more likely to pay 0% federal income tax than 50%.
Obviously til now Elon has paid essentially zero to the US govt.
Sales tax goes to the state, generally to pay for public education.
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Good point, and don't forget the billions they are getting from Elon's personal wealth right now.
Resetting your pricing erases rebate advantage
Now I understand why GM Marry Barry seeked to associate with NKLA Trevor Milton. They both are straight bold faced liars. Shareholders should sue her she deserved the same treatment as Trevor.It's amazing the degree at which Mary bold faced lies. The interviewer just confirmed you have 9.x% market share in the US to Tesla's 63%...
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The current rebates and cap removal (200K in sales, so GM and Tesla specific) in the original Senate Finance committee bill were back dated. Orginally to May I think, then it moved forward with house interations of the bill. Does anyone know what date it currently sits at? Granted, it won't get out of the Senate soon and I'm not sure how Senate rules change things like these dates that are put in the House bills if the Senate bill has to go BACK to the HOUSE after the Senate does their markup and changes.
Or, are we just at a starting in 2022 only situation and that is why people are pushing to delay deliveries?
Jeezus!!!... isn't there a song somewhere that explains all this? ;-)
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No, only partially. If cancelling and reordering gets me the 8K rebate, I could upgrade to red with white interior and still be ahead despite a higher base price.
Country music hasn't caught on to Tesla yet. Austin factory is a good start though.
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