Sounds like those bull certificates, where volatility destroys all value.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Leveraged etf with tsla volatility might not be such a good idea.
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Definition, Introduction, and Dangers of Leveraged ETFs
A leveraged ETF is a type of exchange traded fund that uses futures, swaps, and borrowed money to amplify the results of the underlying investments.
No recall, if you don't sell any!
I think we can expect more price increases from Tesla as we move closer to the end of the year. At least for the Model Y.
Getting a car at a locked-in lower price is the way Tesla will keep people from canceling their order in hopes of putting it off until 2023 to claim the credit.
Getting a car at a locked-in lower price is the way Tesla will keep people from canceling their order in hopes of putting it off until 2023 to claim the credit.
This whole thing about the tax credit taking effect on January 1, 2023 is going to put the EV market in turmoil. Nobody is going to know if the EV they want to buy qualifies for the credit. Most will want to wait and see.
I think Q4 numbers for EVs will be way down, but Tesla should be in the best position to navigate the bumpy waters. Then Tesla will benefit from higher prices and higher margins in 2023.
I think Q4 numbers for EVs will be way down, but Tesla should be in the best position to navigate the bumpy waters. Then Tesla will benefit from higher prices and higher margins in 2023.
Stretch2727
Engineer and Car Nut
Trying to understand the current state on the battery minerals in regards to the tax credit. I found this chart from the International Energy Administration.
Looks like quite a challenge to source large quantities from free trade countries especially on the processing side.
Looks like quite a challenge to source large quantities from free trade countries especially on the processing side.
jkirkwood001
Active Member
Again, you keep forgetting only the US market is affected. Tesla has lots of worldwide demand to absorb Q4 production.
drat. just barely missed it, maybe.......settled on 8/7My first buy missed the narrow window by a day. But for those who may have bought on the "Funding Secured" tweet, it's worthwhile to check if you are eligible to file a claim. Some things to be aware of:
This will not cost Tesla anything if you get a cash refund because the settlement is a fixed amount and gets divided up in proportion to the valid claims submitted.
If you submit a valid claim, not only will you get cash back, but it will reduce the amount paid to TSLA short-sellers who covered on the "funding secured" tweet. That's a worthy goal even your share purchase was so small as to not amount to a huge amount of money.
It looks to me like the claim submitting rules are set up to make people think you had to lose money to have a valid claim. That is not the case at all. I believe everyone who bought during the narrow window (between 12:48:16 p.m. EDT on August 7, 2018 and 4:00 p.m. EDT on August 8, 2018) is entitled to a refund if it's more than $10 (even if you later sold at a profit). Basically, the assumption is that everyone who bought during this window over-paid whether it was longs buying or shorts covering.
Apply any cash refunds to TSLA purchases and watch your money grow over time! Or, treat yourself and your date to a nice meal or drinks out, compliments of TSLAQ!
these definately missed it tho
| 08/30/2018 | Buy | Trade Details | TSLA | TESLA INC | 2 | $299.4309 | $4.95 | -$603.81 |
08/20/2018 | Buy | Trade Details | TSLA | TESLA INC | 10 | $288.87 | $4.95 | -$2,893.65 |
08/10/2018 | Buy | Trade Details | TSLA | TESLA INC | 2 | $350.0426 | $4.95 | -$705.04 |
It depends on trade date, not settle date.
"purchased between 12:48:16 p.m. EDT on August 7, 2018 and 4:00 p.m. EDT on August 8, 2018"
And the 'loss' would the purchase amount above $356.67, so your trades wouldn't qualify.
cliff harris
Member
Although the details are complex, I think something people are glossing over regarding the EV tax credit in the bill, is the fact that it is in the bill.
Sure, future politicians may want to tweak it, maybe to make it more pro-union, or more pro-American made or more/less pro-tesla.
But anyway you look at it, the precedent has been set again the the US government wants to financially incentivize people to buy an EV. Thats great news. And given that we all here likely agree that in the medium/long term, the best possible EV for your money is a Tesla, that can only be good news.
heck... even if it incentivizes people to buy a ford/gm EV, and they then own it a few years and realize they wish they had bought as tesla, that still helps people cross the threshold to being eventual tesla customers.
Maybe GM/Ford can get some extra sales from this bill, but can they keep them as long term EV customers?
Sure, future politicians may want to tweak it, maybe to make it more pro-union, or more pro-American made or more/less pro-tesla.
But anyway you look at it, the precedent has been set again the the US government wants to financially incentivize people to buy an EV. Thats great news. And given that we all here likely agree that in the medium/long term, the best possible EV for your money is a Tesla, that can only be good news.
heck... even if it incentivizes people to buy a ford/gm EV, and they then own it a few years and realize they wish they had bought as tesla, that still helps people cross the threshold to being eventual tesla customers.
Maybe GM/Ford can get some extra sales from this bill, but can they keep them as long term EV customers?
Stretch2727
Engineer and Car Nut
Actually I don't see it as an incentive to sell more EV's. As many have stated here every compelling EV that can be produced will be sold.
The way the bill is written it is a huge incentive for auto companies to move the battery supply chain away from China. This is the main effect the bill will have.
In the short run, the materials sourcing requirements and small battery requirements incentivize legacy auto to build PHEVs in order to spread the limited supply of locally sourced materials over more vehicles to generate more credit revenue.
In the longer run, it’s likely a robust locally sourced battery supply chain will be generated, which is a really smart move.
In the longer run, it’s likely a robust locally sourced battery supply chain will be generated, which is a really smart move.
jkirkwood001
Active Member
They can if they have to. But this is only necessary if US demand really falls off a cliff. I don't see it happening.
BTW, I said "again" not to you, but because I clarified the same point to someone else's post several days ago
Can I put it more simply? Demand is not a problem for Tesla.
Positive news in the media?
I feel a little nauseous.
I feel a little nauseous.
larmor
Active Member
Tesla sales are surging nationwide.
If you're looking for a fund that holds TSLA, BPTRX is ~46% TSLA and ~7% SpaceX as of July 31st.
yeah, my "sorrow" at missing a few dollars, is more than compensated by the 5:1 stock split and subsequent SP increase, and the upcoming split.
so $356.67 is actually $71.34, a tad bit below todays SP, but with the upcoming split, once again we can go thru $420.
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UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
UK dealer discounts on various makes/models, suggests to me that Hybrid (Toyota) losing out to full Battery Electric Vehicle choices eg Tesla.
They say that waiting times on new cars are down generally, these are the ones dealers have in stock & want to sell quickly. Perhaps chip shortage eased and/or demand for EVs up vs ICE
Biggest EV discount is Renault Zoe at 14.5% - bit of a surprise there, then Jaguar I-Pace at 8.5% discount
VW ID3/4 discounts quite low at 5% - only one spec of each
Many other ICE VW's above 10% discount
Cupra Born 2.5% discount
For the first time since September 2021 Toyota have a variety of models discounted (not EVs - obviously) - only other time I've seen Toyotas was in July 2021. Never seen Toyota before or since, until now - and I've been getting these emails since 2019.
They say that waiting times on new cars are down generally, these are the ones dealers have in stock & want to sell quickly. Perhaps chip shortage eased and/or demand for EVs up vs ICE
Biggest EV discount is Renault Zoe at 14.5% - bit of a surprise there, then Jaguar I-Pace at 8.5% discount
VW ID3/4 discounts quite low at 5% - only one spec of each
Many other ICE VW's above 10% discount
Cupra Born 2.5% discount
For the first time since September 2021 Toyota have a variety of models discounted (not EVs - obviously) - only other time I've seen Toyotas was in July 2021. Never seen Toyota before or since, until now - and I've been getting these emails since 2019.
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