Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Unless there are surprises…Isn’t that always the case? Barring edge cases of some folks operating on inside information?
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Unless there are surprises…Isn’t that always the case? Barring edge cases of some folks operating on inside information?
It may come as a surprise to some, but Ireland is in Europe. In every way. (So too is the UK of GB, which also may surprise some). Fantasy geography should be avoided.So, it's not global. The USA is probably the least similar to UK (as Model 3 don't come from China). Europe, is where there's more likely to be something similar. Could just be a VERY localised experiment by the UK team. Maybe someone in another Right-hand Drive country eg Ireland (or via VPN) could check? Ditto Belgium etc for Left hand Drive China Model 3s
My guess: Ireland yes, Europe no.
Definitely geographically limited..
Don't receive anything like that when I search from the US, and even replacing UK EV share to US EV share does not result in any links from Tesla
Hahaha, my good fellow—are you new here? This pittance is nothing to get angry about, $9B is a small chunk of change in the big scheme of things these days. And it is just a loan, after all (I mean, that's what we're told), it’ll probably be paid back, at least part of it. Ford is in desperate need of a lifeline right now, so what’s a $9B loan between friends?Im surprised there is not more widespread coverage, and discussion of, and frankly anger about the US government just handing the largest loan in their history to Ford because Ford have been so spectacularly clueless about EVs until now.
This loan is 20x the size of the loan the govt gave Tesla. What the hell is so special about Ford that they deserve this, rather than Lucid, Rivian or Tesla?
It smacks of extreme corruption to me, and pouring good money after bad. At the very least, it should have been conditional on firing the entire board of directors for gross uselessness in the obvious, well-signaled face of the EV transition.
I'm furious and I'm not even a US tax payer. I suspect ford's advertising dollars will help them ensure the news is buried in the back pages so voters do not notice...
The difference between a medium sized pond that is 50% overgrown with algae and dead is only a couple of days. I believe the collapse of ICE will be rapid once a critical point is reached.Anyone drive by a dealership and ask yourself, "wow how the hell are we going to transition to evs 100% across the globe in 1-2 decades"?
I just did this afternoon. Scary thought to me - seems insurmountable.
The difference between a medium sized pond that is 50% overgrown with algae and dead is only a couple of days. I believe the collapse of ICE will be rapid once a critical point is reached.
Collapse of the ICE fleet does not occur until many years after the collapse of ICE manufacturing.The difference between a medium sized pond that is 50% overgrown with algae and dead is only a couple of days. I believe the collapse of ICE will be rapid once a critical point is reached.
Ya know, predatory lending comes to mind. Drop the down payment, 0% interest, everyone would buy one. They could become toxic assets before the collapse as dealers and banks take higher and higher lending risks to keep them selling. (Avoid those banks when the time comes.)I hope so...though how are all those ICE car owners and dealerships going to be compensated on their losses? The pie of ICE car owners is astronomical compared to EV owners even if there's so many tailwinds towards EVs and electrification. I suspect there's going to need to be a cash for clunkers type of program to speed this process up and make everyone happy enough not to revolt.
e.g. Get Ready for Mega Cash for Clunkers, Morgan Stanley’s Adam Jonas Says
Collapse of the ICE fleet does not occur until many years after the collapse of ICE manufacturing.
Used cars still have utility as long as there are their are gas stations and repair shops. Gas, shops, and parts will continue to exist in proportion to the demand induced by the remaining fleet.
I hope so...though how are all those ICE car owners and dealerships going to be compensated on their losses? The pie of ICE car owners is astronomical compared to EV owners even if there's so many tailwinds towards EVs and electrification. I suspect there's going to need to be a cash for clunkers type of program to speed this process up and make everyone happy enough not to revolt.
e.g. Get Ready for Mega Cash for Clunkers, Morgan Stanley’s Adam Jonas Says
Correct, but people who purchase used cars generally don't drive them as far, so mostly they sit parked more often than new cars and are less likely to be used on trips or long commutes.Collapse of the ICE fleet does not occur until many years after the collapse of ICE manufacturing.
Used cars still have utility as long as there are their are gas stations and repair shops. Gas, shops, and parts will continue to exist in proportion to the demand induced by the remaining fleet.
Correct, but people who purchase used cars generally don't drive them as far, so mostly they sit parked more often than new cars and are less likely to be used on trips or long commutes.
You are overlooking the set of people who only have used cars. I'm pretty sure I have more lifetime miles on used than new (definitely more years, 2/3 have been used).Correct, but people who purchase used cars generally don't drive them as far, so mostly they sit parked more often than new cars and are less likely to be used on trips or long commutes.
Superfund sites to clean up the leaking tanks?Maybe a good weekend topic: What replaces the gas stations en masse? Might be good areas of future investment.
I'd prefer:
- Parks/Playgrounds
- EV charging stations
- Restaurants
Maybe a good weekend topic: What replaces the gas stations en masse? Might be good areas of future investment.
I'd prefer:
- Parks/Playgrounds
- EV charging stations
- Restaurants
I disagree. Reduced ICE vehicle availability will be more than compensated for by the developed preference for EVs. As the general superiority of EVs become apparent, used ICE prices will fall. People will hold onto their old ICE vehicles, and, yes, repair them.Reduced vehicle availability will increase used prices which will incentivize people who don't need their second car to sell it. Or incentivize more repairs to existing cars.
You're in the wrong forum.Weekend off topic: Please excuse the off topic question.
Going to Maui in a few weeks and looking at rental cars, Model 3's are widely available but I don't know what kind of charging infrastructure to expect. Not many Tesla superchargers so I'm obviously going to be relying on other charging methods. Anyone had any experience? At this point, I'm considering just get a conventional gas vehicle for convenience sake .... yuck!
Thanks, in advance!
Go TSLA
There's one caveat to this. I bet you know how to get out of a roadside bind, maybe do some repairs yourself. I'm the same way, every trip came with a serious tool box in the trunk. I'd be concerned to go far without it. My "good" tires were $13 each used (I tried to match the rears for height, but not always). And my '63 Buick usually had a spare starter in the trunk along with hoses and belts and 2-4 gal of antifreeze. I'm guessing I got it up to about 250K mi. there.If statistics support this it would be interesting. I can see how it might make sense.
As someone who has routinely purchased used cars at near 100K miles and over three to five years have driven them to 200K, or 300K, or more on occasion, my personal experience is contrary.