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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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The fact there are so many posts about how a forum has changed shows just how slow Tesla news is at present. What some posters want is a return to the heady days of five years when Tesla stock was ascending and Tesla was this scrappy new company. Who doesn't wish a return to those days? But please spare me about "quality" posts and posters. There was a lot of rah rah posts back then not grounded in reality "(Tesla will never cut prices", remember that one?) And many posters then believed the good times would never end. Well, the times have slowed and many of those posters are gone and moved on to the next shiny new thing or stock.
But now back to reality, Tesla is mainstream and its products are established, Now Tesla must compete in this new competitive environment. Discussion of Tesla in this new phase may not be rah rah as many like. Oh well, it's the environment we are in until the next growth phase.
See you back on 8/8 when there will be substantive Tesla news.
Before anyone takes this seriously, ARK's 2024 "expected value" for TSLA (published in 2020) was $467/share with a bull case of $1,000/share.
^Assumptions for 2024.
These are not serious people.
Well, not to bicker, but since I’ve been reading your thread almost daily and you make that point almost daily, I think I understand it.
The 'key player' is not the same person now. He has for the most part been awol since he sold out to the tune of 1,000x of his initial investment. He promised to be 'last out'. Yet you uberbulls still defend him.
He is following through on threats of developing AI elsewhere, even taking H100s from Tesla for his private endeavor. Yet you uberbulls defend him still.
He has shown little regard for the business or the shareholders. He tells potential buyers to GFY and acts like he can offend half the world as the leader of a consumer product company. He refuses to advertise the products, but goes all out to advertise to vote to affirm his record breaking pay package. It's 1,000x greater than any pay package ever, and the stock and profits are no longer at those threshholds. Yet uberbulls still defend him.
Many here are upset and rightfully so. Many also regret not selling out when the 'key player' did bc, like many still here, we were under the spell of the kool-aid and believed everything out of the 'key player' mouth. But we are wiser now and see our errors in blindly following another man who has revealed himself as deeply flawed and egotistical.
This perspective is what has made many of us long term successful investors. Many of us who have been in that TSLA position since IPO but prior to Model 3 became a raging success (i.e. before 2019) have followed every development closely, including here on TMC and in this thread.
Nearly all who have been longer term successful have had their share of Duds too. I know I have had them, luckily I learned. Most of us have also done a share of derivative speculation. I've does that too, encourages by learning from a Nobel Prize winner, who I belived to have been THE oracle. That's before he went bust in spectacular earth shattering fashion, from failing to adhere to the master statistical rule of heuristics, "never exceed the boundary conditions fo your models".
That last part has led me to an obsessive effort to understand as much about every risk in every investment and try hard to define those critical factors that are most likely to be early warnings of rough terrain...as I have done with TSLA too, even disclosing my early warning factors that evinced a complete investment assessment.
Here on TMC, as elsewhere, deep understanding of risks sounds like pessimism or even FUD.
It really si not that, it is an effort to see more accurately the most probable future events, so try to influence investment decisions.
We really have several crucial elements that all TSLA investors should be acutely aware of and monitor diligently. perhaps not obvious is that the personal habits of any individual, including a CEO, are only relevant to the extent that they impede investment performance,
(In this respect morality and politics are only relevant to the extent that they enhance or detract from investment performance).
TMC Investor threads here have frequently devolved into frequent emotional statements that are based on personal political preferences and/or on professed expository statements that often illustrate lack of investigation or knowledge of accounting principles, analytic tools, including statistics (especially heuristics) and various other technical subjects. So, what should we do about that?
First, there are or have been, on this board people with very high knowledge and skills in practically any area we need to master. We should pay attention to them, They are usually obvious.
Second, there are some who opine on any are that pops up, with or without even basic understanding. Those people could ask questions and learn, before stating opinions that are based on nothing but imagination.
Third, There are quite a few people, including Moderators, who try hard to distinguish between the First and Second cases. We all should try to help.
Fourth, among those of us who have one or more skills of the first order are often people fo the second order on subject they know nothing about. They should opine in their skills areas and question in those for which they are not skilled.
Dong these things might, just might, reduce pressure on Moderators and help them to keep doing their jobs. It also would make it obvious where the FUD and trolls come from.
Quoting @TheAccountant is appropriate for he is the very definition of the First category.
Just above is @Papafox, another example of the first type. We would be better of if we followed their examples. Without question, I, too, should follow their advice more assiduously.
Dear investors, I'm not in this for a quick buck. I'm not pumping the stock with promises that can't be met. I'm so confident I'll be the last one out. I'm for the mission of a sustainable future. I'm going to need this huge pay package for Mars and this won't even be enough money for that..... Oh nevermind, I'm going to dump on the market bc I need to go save free speech (1st amendment does that, foolish kool-aid drinkers) and buy this *sugar* company for $40B. GFY shareholders, I can pump the stock and break promises at will with no consequences, you peasants.
circa 2039
Grandkid 1: grandpa, how did we get so rich
grandkid 2: don't you know grandpa was an early investor in Tesla
GK1: (*******) legend, legend
GK1: but grandpa , did you like Elon, did you VOTE for him ?
No, I'm pretty sure Elon said he isn't doing that. The board of directors are the ones that were putting out ads and hired a company to call shareholders.
When will Tesla be another Apple? Apple is making new ATH. When will Tesla do that?
The BOD that was ruled not to be independent of Elon?
They both refuse to advertise or establish positive PR when sales were tanking and inventory was building up because it doesn't work, but they pull an all out ad blitz spending shareholder dollars when Elon's billions are at risk?!
18th of September 2025.
I believe the person who started this thread does. That person wrote about Elon recently “He no longer has my vote of confidence and I would be happy to see his replacement at the helm, sooner rather than later.” I obviously agree. Then again many here would just say we’re trolls and don’t understand Tesla.
cliff harris
Member
Your regular helpful post on the dire threat to Tesla's FSD ambitions from the competition:
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www.theverge.com
Imagine if FSD did this? It would be a breaking new special.
Meanwhile another $850million of GM's money thrown on the cruise bonfire:
www.heise.de
I'm not worried about FSD competition.
Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a telephone pole
It’s the Google spinoff’s second-ever recall.
www.theverge.com
Meanwhile another $850million of GM's money thrown on the cruise bonfire:
GM pays robotaxi subsidiary Cruise 850 million dollars and builds fewer e-cars
After an accident involving an autonomous cab triggered a crisis at Cruise, GM wants to help its robotaxi division back on its feet with a cash injection.
I'm not worried about FSD competition
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⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️
Village Idiot
You guys are just downers, not trolls. We can tell the difference. Just like how @nativewolf probably isn't "ignored" by people that are looking for an objective viewpoint.I believe the person who started this thread does. That person wrote about Elon recently “He no longer has my vote of confidence and I would be happy to see his replacement at the helm, sooner rather than later.” I obviously agree. Then again many here would just say we’re trolls and don’t understand Tesla.
Musskiah
DisGruntled
Fair enough. I appreciate you digging deeper into this. It's safe to say Tesla Energy is one of the industry leaders, based on other more tangible information we have discussed on this forum.Interesting but unfortunately the article this is based on from May 8 seems to have done quite a random ranking, I can´t find any metric this is based on.
Quoted by @Musskiah:
Publication names Tesla Energy as top company in its market: 'Pioneering the future of energy'
Tesla Energy is making major headway in the energy storage industry, and it's finally getting the credit it deserves.www.thecooldown.com
..based on:
Tesla Energy tops list of best energy storage companies
Anyone who’s followed Tesla over the years could state that Tesla Energy typically stays in the background.www.teslarati.com
..based on:
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I couldn’t agree more. I think that’s probably the overwhelming sentiment here.
I love having the downers around. Like the shady knight…there are some incredible contributors who rarely do any cheerleading or even say anything positive about Tesla. But they are a healthy balance when there’s a new strain of hopium going around.
That said, my bock list has grown considerably of late.
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