Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Dr. J]

Ratio or percent, if percent then divide by 100.

THE DEBT-TO-EQUITY RATIO

"The average D/E ratio of major companies in the U.S. airline industry is 115.62, which indicates that for every $1 of shareholders' equity, the average company in the industry has $115.62 in total liabilities."

Of course, a more relevant measure would be debt coverage ratio--that's the one that will kill a company, as revenues fall.

 

[mongo]

This doesn't make a lot of sense. We would have seen an application from Tesla for a permit to manufacture and/or sell the Performance version, and we didn't. They just received approval for the LR-RWD version today, but no Performance. AFAIK, they only have approval to manufacture and sell the SR+ and the LR-RWD in China so far.

Is it possible that the markings in Chinese characters on the left side of the boot lid are a regulatory requirement for ALL cars sold in China, whether made there or imported?

Perhaps those are Ps being sent to the regulators as part of the approval process.

 

[KarenRei]

I'm pleased they aren't aware of Model Y yet.

One can work out implied MY numbers, though.

Q1: -1,3k (basically: none)
Q2: -0,8k (basically: none)
Q3: 11,4k
Q4: 25k

(Of course, we know that Q4 should not only include MY, but also a small handful of Semis...)

 

[SoGA Fan Club]

Here's the latest FactSet estimates (from yesterday) posted to Twitter:

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For Q1 it's expectations of 103k deliveries - a bit high...

Nit picking a little, but I think it's actually 104,300. I sure hope they're close since there's no Model Y included in that number. I think the market reacts very positively to anything over 100k. Strange that the estimate is so high when all I'm reading in the media is how Europe sells are down significantly, China sales are down significantly - where are they selling all these cars? In the States?

 

[Dr. J]

Perhaps those are Ps being sent to the regulators as part of the approval process.

Sure, sure. The regulators will use them for "testing."

 

[Hock1]

The most useful quote I’ve seen lately that the media, Wall Street, etc. enjoys painting the picture of the markets being like a casino. When what is really happening is you’re taking ownership in a company. It seems obvious but I think it’s worth repeating. These people want what you have.

I would guess that 90% of the participants on this board use the market as a casino. Flipping stock and trading options are not ownership of the company. I.e., 10% are real owners of (investors in) the company. JMO.


Edit: It might actually be closer to 95%-5%

 

[KarenRei]

Nit picking a little, but I think it's actually 104,300

At the top of the chart, there's a line for total. The totals are different from the breakdown because not all analysts make all predictions.

 

[Yuri_G]

One can work out implied MY numbers, though.

Q1: -1,3k (basically: none)
Q2: -0,8k (basically: none)
Q3: 11,4k
Q4: 25k

(Of course, we know that Q4 should not only include MY, but also a small handful of Semis...)

For the year the implied Y estimate is around 54k (assuming 100-1k semis delivered), which isn't a terrible estimate if Tesla has trouble ramping. I'd think 100k Ys delivered would be best case.

 

[Artful Dodger]

OT:

Spoiler: HR Memo

I seem to have missed the Memo from HR:
@SpaceCash seems to be banned AF since Monday a.m.
Run afoul of da Law over in Market Politiks?
Hopefully just a temp ban. We need courage AF.

 

[ev-enthusiast]

Trump signs $8.3 billion emergency coronavirus spending package

 

[Fact Checking]

Nit picking a little, but I think it's actually 104,300. I sure hope they're close since there's no Model Y included in that number.

I believe the median of the 'total' estimates is 103k, listed at the top, but the sum of the detailed estimates is higher at 104.3k. This is an artifact of medians.

It will be any departure from the top median 103k that the market will most heavily react to, I believe.

 

[SOULPEDL]

Its promoting the State. If some don't know, Tampa, FL will host the Superbowl on Sun, Feb 7, 2021.

Florida is also one of the first jurisdictions to pass legislation specifically allowing Autonomous vehicles. Florida's pragmatic approach is to make the Manufacturer responsible for their product, rather than make the State the arbiter of what's 'good enough' to be legal on public roads.

'It's autonomous? Fine. It still has to drive legally.' -- Florida

Florida law to allow autonomous cars—when they're ready | phys.org June 2019

Cheers!

And maybe Chandler Az? I was counting on it to show Waymo how it's done. But Fla has always been a likely spot as well.

Very cool!

 

[dc_h]

Nit picking a little, but I think it's actually 104,300. I sure hope they're close since there's no Model Y included in that number. I think the market reacts very positively to anything over 100k. Strange that the estimate is so high when all I'm reading in the media is how Europe sells are down significantly, China sales are down significantly - where are they selling all these cars? In the States?

China January year over year was up, January February for Europe also up year over year. China February is likely down, but they’re back on track in March. International sales for Q1 should be better then Q1 2019 and likely between Q3 and Q4 totals. Q2 should be great in China, where corona is already fading. Could be an issue in Europe depending on how this goes. Tesla has proven adept at home deliveries and other work arounds. Model Y should be above zero adding to totals, and should be somewhere between 2000 and 5000 and factset has zero.

 

[UncaNed]

One can work out implied MY numbers, though.

Q1: -1,3k (basically: none)
Q2: -0,8k (basically: none)
Q3: 11,4k
Q4: 25k

(Of course, we know that Q4 should not only include MY, but also a small handful of Semis...)

Why does Q2 decrease by .5k??

 

[Chocochip]

Why does Q2 decrease by .5k??

#nodemand
/s

 

[KarenRei]

Why does Q2 decrease by .5k??

As noted previously, not all analysts give forecasts for all fields, so the numbers will never add up perfectly.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Why does Q2 decrease by .5k??

Yeah! "Nothing from nothing".

 

[Dr. J]

GM is back in the game (according to this uncritical piece in Bloomberg): Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

GM Says Its Battery Is the Android-Style Antidote to Tesla’s iPhone
It’s clear the automaker is not giving up in the race to electrification.

 

[ggies07]

GM is back in the game (according to this uncritical piece in Bloomberg): Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

GM Says Its Battery Is the Android-Style Antidote to Tesla’s iPhone
It’s clear the automaker is not giving up in the race to electrification.

What do they mean "its".....that's LG's battery. Tesla soley owns their own.

 

[mrdoubleb]

GM is back in the game (according to this uncritical piece in Bloomberg): Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

GM Says Its Battery Is the Android-Style Antidote to Tesla’s iPhone
It’s clear the automaker is not giving up in the race to electrification.

Not the newest of charts, but gets the point across I guess: