You're right! But I think he had a chauffeur... Abrams wasn't quite that prophetic was he?
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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One great revelation is Alex mentioned for a sell side analyst, they can not just throw away all 20 stocks they cover and only focus on one stock. Even if it was Apple or Amazon or anything, it’s just not how their business model as a analyst firm works.
This explains really well why most of us here seems to know much more than those analysts who covers Tesla.
They only have 1/20 of their hours devoted to TSLA, and they are doing it as a job that probably means 40 working hours a week, so, 2 hours a week for following Tesla, not even enough to digest Rob’s podcasts.
Whereas most of us follow Tesla as a hobby not just as an investment. No wonder we understand the company much better than them, actually I am impressed they don’t make factual mistakes that often.
Cheers to retail longs!
Dan Detweiler
Active Member
Mo City
Active Member
LOL, I'm quite sure and didn't say anything to indicate otherwise.
StealthP3D
Well-Known Member
First takeaway:
He likes babies - babies are little lovebugs - they're cool.
So far, so good!
SunCatcher
Member
Joe congratulating Elon regarding his child, so must be a very recent recording....!
I love this comment below: "TSLA stock owners: I can feel a disturbance in the force"!
bubb
Member
FWIW the conversation shifts to current events around 1hr in.
pz1975
Active Member
I scrolled my cursor slowly across the whole timeline at the bottom of the Rogan interview and I can safely say that he does not take a puff from any joints/blunts this time!
jhm
Well-Known Member
So Musk is saying that the Tesla is priced too high again, plus he's pushing out a lot of crazy talk on other stuff. In the past this sort of behavior has tended to take the stock price down.
https://old.nasdaq.com/article/is-e...stock-being-overvalued-a-bulls-take-cm1324951
I'm pretty much in agreement with this long-term bull. Short-term Tesla is priced too high. It's fine to hold. But a long-term accumulator like me wants to see much lower prices to resume adding to my hoard of Tesla shares.
In the meantime, I've written covered call on about 58% of my share at a $1200 about a year out. My expectation is that those calls will lose about half their value before the stock price pierces $1200.
So I'm still very bullish on Tesla. I just think prices will chill in the near term. Musk seems to be nudging the stock in that direction. Covid-19 will make Q2 ugly no matter what. Complaining about government lockdowns is another way Musk is trying to lower the market's expectations about Q2 and even the rest of the year.
In the near-term Battery Day builds a lot of hopeful expectations, which may be the source of recent frothy market valuations. I'm entirely enthusiastic about meaningful gains in the battery tech. That will be transformative for the long run. But the hopeful froth leading up to Battery Day will likely result in a painful pullback the day after. We've seen this pattern many times before. The substance of the reveal can be totally positive for the long-term value of Tesla, but the anticlimax comes the day after the revelation. In particular, implied volatility will like crash. So call options can lose substantial value. This is why I prefer to ride this out with a covered call posture. My stocks will take a hit, but I will be in a good position to buy to close my short calls.
Even if there is not much of dive after Battery Day or Q2 CC, mere moderation of growth will be enough to make my seriously OTM calls lose value. And right now Musk is telling the market to chill on its Tesla valuation. So plan accordingly and good luck.
https://old.nasdaq.com/article/is-e...stock-being-overvalued-a-bulls-take-cm1324951
I'm pretty much in agreement with this long-term bull. Short-term Tesla is priced too high. It's fine to hold. But a long-term accumulator like me wants to see much lower prices to resume adding to my hoard of Tesla shares.
In the meantime, I've written covered call on about 58% of my share at a $1200 about a year out. My expectation is that those calls will lose about half their value before the stock price pierces $1200.
So I'm still very bullish on Tesla. I just think prices will chill in the near term. Musk seems to be nudging the stock in that direction. Covid-19 will make Q2 ugly no matter what. Complaining about government lockdowns is another way Musk is trying to lower the market's expectations about Q2 and even the rest of the year.
In the near-term Battery Day builds a lot of hopeful expectations, which may be the source of recent frothy market valuations. I'm entirely enthusiastic about meaningful gains in the battery tech. That will be transformative for the long run. But the hopeful froth leading up to Battery Day will likely result in a painful pullback the day after. We've seen this pattern many times before. The substance of the reveal can be totally positive for the long-term value of Tesla, but the anticlimax comes the day after the revelation. In particular, implied volatility will like crash. So call options can lose substantial value. This is why I prefer to ride this out with a covered call posture. My stocks will take a hit, but I will be in a good position to buy to close my short calls.
Even if there is not much of dive after Battery Day or Q2 CC, mere moderation of growth will be enough to make my seriously OTM calls lose value. And right now Musk is telling the market to chill on its Tesla valuation. So plan accordingly and good luck.
Artful Dodger
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PowerfulJRE #1470 w. Elon Musk
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Elon Musk is a business magnet, investor and engineer.
PowerfulJRE #1470 w. Elon Musk
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Elon Musk is a business magnet, investor and engineer.
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welcome back here we go again great to
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see you and congratulations
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thank you you will never forget what is
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going on in the world when you think
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about when your child is born you will
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know for the rest of this child's life
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you were born during a weird time that's
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for sure no that is for sure
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they're probably the weirdest that I can
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remember yeah yeah and he was born on
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may the 4th and that's lairs - yeah
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William has to be hopeful I sure hope so
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perfect yes I mean that was the perfect
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day for you I'm yeah what how do you say
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the name well uh there's a placeholder
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and first of all my partner's the one
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that actually mostly came up with the
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name congratulations to her yeah yeah
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she's great at names so I mean it's just
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X the letter X and then the AE is like
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pronounced ash yeah and then a 12 a 12
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is my contribution o ye 12 Archangel 12
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the precursor to the sr-71 coolest plane
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ever I I agree with you I don't know I'm
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not familiar with it I know one is yeah
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yeah yeah I know what that is the sr-71
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came from a CIA program called a cold
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Archangel oh it's the Archangel project
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and then Archangel 12 wow what a dope
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looking plane yeah oh okay I got it
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yeah well as a person who's very much
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into aerial travel as you are well
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that's perfect it's pretty great
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yeah pretty great so is it does it feel
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strange to have a child while this
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craziness is going does it feeling
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you've had children before is this any
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weirder it's actually I think it's
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better being older and having a kid I
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appreciate it more hmm yeah babies are
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awesome they are pretty awesome they're
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awesome yeah but I didn't have any of my
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own I would see other people's kids and
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I didn't not like that sure but I wasn't
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drawn to them sure but now when I see
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little people's kids I'm like oh I think
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of a minute like these little love
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packages yeah the love books
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yeah it's just you think of them
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differently when you see them come out
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and then grow and then eventually start
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talking to you like your whole idea what
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a baby is is very different yeah so now
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as you you know get older and get to
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appreciate it as a mature fully formed
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adult it must be really pretty wonderful
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yeah wonderful that's great
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but babies are awesome yeah yeah that's
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uh that's great yeah I mean also have I
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I've spent a lot of time on AI and
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neural nets and so you can sort of see
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then kind of the brain develop which is
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you know what and they I know neural net
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is trying to simulate what a brain does
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basically and you can sort of see the it
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learning very quickly you know it's just
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wow see things fight so you're talking
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about the neural net you're not talking
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about an actual baby no right action an
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actual baby well both of them yes but
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the word neural that comes from the the
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brain it's like a net of neurons so you
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know it's like the yeah humans are the
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you know yeah so when you're programming
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artificial intelligence were you working
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with artificial intelligence art are
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they specifically trying to mimic the
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developmental process of a human brain
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in a lot of ways there's some ways that
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are different yeah you're an analogy
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that's often used is like you know we we
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don't make a submarine swim like a fish
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but we take the principles of how you
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know what would hydrodynamics and
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applied them to a submarine I've always
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wondered as a layperson do you try to
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achieve the same results as a human
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brain but through different methods or
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do you try to copy the way a human brain
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achieves results I mean the essential
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elements of an AI neural net are really
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very very similar to a human brain
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neural net yeah having the multiple
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layers of neurons and
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you had a backpropagation these all
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these things are what your brain does
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you know it's a yeah you have you have a
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layer of neurons that goes through a
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series of intermediate steps to
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ultimately cognition and that and then
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it'll reverse those steps go back and
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forth and go all over the place
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it's um yeah
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it's interesting very interesting yeah I
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would imagine like the thought of
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programming something that is eventually
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going to be smarter than us that one day
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it's gonna be like why did you do it
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that way like when artificial
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intelligence sentient they're like oh
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you tried to mimic yourself like this so
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much better process cut out all this
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nonsense
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they're like so they're elements that
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are the same but just looks like like an
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aircraft does not fly like a bird right
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yeah it doesn't flap its wings but the
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wings the way the wings work and
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generate lift is the same as bird now
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you're in the middle of this this
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strange time where you're selling your
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houses you say you don't want any
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material possessions and haven't seen
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all that and I've been really excited to
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talk to you about this yeah because it's
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an interesting thing to come from a guy
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like yourself like why are you doing
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that I'm slightly sad about it actually
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but look if you're sad about it why are
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you doing it I think I think possessions
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kind of weigh you down then they're kind
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of an attack vector
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you know you'll say hey billionaire you
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got all this stuff like well I'm downer
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stuff now what were you gonna do attack
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vector meaning like people targeted yeah
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mmm interesting yeah but you're
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obviously gonna so you're gonna rent a
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place yeah okay and get rid of
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everything that's up close no I said
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like almost everything so it's like keep
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a couple Tesla's yeah house kind of have
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to yeah that's product and stuff um yeah
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there's things that have sentimental
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value for sure keeping those here yeah
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so do you feel like
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is what's worse think it happen okay
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fine yeah yeah you could always buy more
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stuff if you don't like it supposed to
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yeah I mean from the money that you sell
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all your stuff you could buy new stuff
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but do you feel like people define you
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by the fact that you're you're wealthy
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and that they define you in a pejorative
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way for sure I mean not on your own but
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right you know there's for sure in
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recent like you wrote years billionaire
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has become a her job you like it's in a
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pejorative it's like it's like that's a
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bad thing which I mean I think them
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doesn't make a lot a lot of sense in
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most cases if you if you've done if you
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basically organized the company like
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kind of how does this wealth arise it's
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if you organize people in a in a better
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way to produce products and services
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that are better than what existed before
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and you have some ownership in that
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company then that that essentially gives
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you the right to allocate more capital
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so it is it's that there's a conflation
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of consumption and capital allocation so
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let me take Warren Buffett for example
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and forget totally Frank I'm not his
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biggest fan but minoo he does like
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capital allocation and he reads a lot of
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a lot of sort of annual reports of
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companies and what will be counting and
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it's pretty boring really
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and he's trying to figure out is he does
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Coke or Pepsi deserve more capital I
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mean that's I mean it's kind of a boring
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job if you ask me but you know it's
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still a thing that's important to figure
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out like which it is a company deserving
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of more or less capital should that
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company grow or expand is it making
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parts and services that are better than
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others or worse and you know should you
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know if we kind of a company is making
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compelling products and services it
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should get more capital and if it's not
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it should get less well got a business
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well there's a big difference - between
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someone who's making an incredible
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amount of money designing and
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engineering fantastic products versus
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someone who's making an incredible
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amount of money by
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investing in companies or moving money
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around the stock market or doing things
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along those lines it's it's a different
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thing and to put them all on the same
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category seems it's it's very simple and
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as you pointed out it's an attack vector
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yeah for sure yeah I mean I think it's
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really I I do think they're in the in
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the United States especially there's an
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over allocation of talent in finance and
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law basically too many smart people go
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into finance and law so you know this is
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both a compliment and a criticism we
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should have I think fewer people doing
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law and fewer people are doing finance
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and more people making stuff yeah yeah
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well that would certainly be better for
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all involved if they made better stuff
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yeah yeah absolutely and and you know
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manufacturing used to be highly valued
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in in the United States and these days
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it's not it's it's often looked down
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upon which i think is wrong yeah well I
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think that people are kind of learning
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that particularly because of this whole
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pandemic in this relationship that we
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have with China that there's a lot of
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value in to making things into making
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things here yes somebody's got to do the
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real work
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yeah you know and you know like making
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making a car it's an honest day's esthar
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honest day's living that's for sure you
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know or making anything really or
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providing valuable service
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like providing you know get our
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entertainment get information that these
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are all valuable things to do you know
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so yeah it should be more more of it did
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you have a moment where is this
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something that this idea of getting rid
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of your material possessions is
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something that built up over time or did
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you have a moment of realization where
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you realize that yeah I've been thinking
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about it for a while you know part of it
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is like I like I have a bunch of houses
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but I don't spend a lot of time in most
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of them and that doesn't seem like a
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good use of assets like somebody could
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probably be in turn those
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houses and get better than me so don't
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you have Gene Wilder's house I do that's
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amazing that's awesome Wow yes it's
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exactly what you'd expect did you
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request that the buyer not **** it up
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yeah that's a requirement a requirement
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that's a good requirement yeah not in
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that case in that house yeah it'll
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probably sell fast but still I don't
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care he's a legend
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I want his soul you'd want his essence
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yeah in the building it's and it's there
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that's a real quick is it quickie house
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yeah what what makes you say it's there
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look what do you get out of it I mean
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all the all the cabinets are like can't
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handmade and they're like odd shapes and
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there's like doors to nowhere and
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strange like corridors and tunnels and
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really odd odd paintings on the wall and
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yeah did you ever live in it it's very
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quirky yeah I did live in it briefly
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yeah but why do you buy houses like if
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you own all these houses do you just get
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bored and go I think I'd like to have
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that well I you know had one house and
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then the gene Wilder house right across
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the road from me from from my main house
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and it was gonna get it was gonna get
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sold and then torn down and turned into
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you know be a big construction zone for
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three years and I was like well I think
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I'll buy it and preserve the spirit of
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gene water and not have a giant
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construction zone and then the you know
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I started having like some privacy
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issues where like people would like less
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people like come to my house and you
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know start climbing over the walls and
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stuff I don't like man so then I started
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like what a house some of the houses
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around my house and then I thought at
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one point well you know it'd be cool to
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to build a house so then I acquired some
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properties at the top of Samara Road and
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which has got a great view and it's like
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okay well these some bunch of sort of
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small older houses
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they're gonna get torn down anyway I was
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like well you know like collect these
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like little little houses then I can
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build something you know I don't know
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artistic like a you know dream house to
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everything what's a dream house for Elon
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Musk like some Tony Stark type *sugar* yeah
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definitely yeah you gotta have the dome
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that opens up with the stealth
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helicopter and that kind of thing you
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know
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yeah for sure **** yeah yeah okay but
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but then I was like man do I really what
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it doesn't really make sense for me to
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spend time designing and building a
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house and I'd be real you know get a
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like OCD on the little details and the
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design and or should I be allocating
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that time to getting us to Mars I should
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probably do the latter so you know like
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what's more important Mars or a house I
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like Mars okay is that really how you
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think like that I'd be better off
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planning on a trip to Mars or getting
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people to Mars yeah definitely I mean
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you can only do so many things right
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right so how you I don't know how you do
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what you do anyway I don't understand
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how you can run bolt with a boring
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company Tesla SpaceX all these different
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things you're doing constantly I just
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don't understand
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I mean you explained last time you were
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here how you sort of allocate your time
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and and how hectic it is insane
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I still don't that the productivity is
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baffling just doesn't make sense how you
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can get so much done well I think I do
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have high productivity but even with
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that there's still some opportunity cost
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of time and allocating time to building
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a house even if it was a really great
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house it still is not a good use of time
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relative to developing the rockets
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necessary to get us to Mars and helping
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soil sustainable energy SpaceX and Tesla
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are by far you know by the the most
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amount of like brain cycles you know
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boring company does not take you know
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it's like molest 1% of rate cycles and
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and then this neural link which is
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I don't maybe it's like 5% and then 5%
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that's a good chunk it's good job yeah
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yeah we were talking about that last
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time and you were trying to figure out
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when it was actually going to go live
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when it's actually going to be available
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by testing on people right now no we're
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not testing people yet but I I think it
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won't be too long I think we may be able
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to implant in your link in less than a
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year in a person I think and when you do
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this is there any test that you have to
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do before you do something like this to
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to see what percentage of people's
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bodies are going to reject these things
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is it but is it there is there a
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potential for rejection it's a very low
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potential for rejection I mean you can
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think of it like people put in you know
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heart monitors and you know things for
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epileptic seizures and deep brain
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stimulation obviously like you know
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artificial hips and right knees and that
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kind of thing so the probability of I
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mean like it so it's well known like
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what will cost rejection what what will
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not it's definitely harder when you've
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got something that is rate of reading
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and writing neurons it that's that's
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generating a current pulse on reading
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counter pulses that's just a little
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hotter then then it then it's a passive
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device but it's still you know very
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doable and yeah that there that there
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are people who have primitive devices in
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their brains right now what kind of
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devices I would like deep brain
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stimulation is providing for Parkinson's
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is has really changed people's lives in
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a big way which is kind of remarkable
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because we're it kind of like zaps your
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brain it's like kicking the TV type of
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thing yeah and you think like man
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kicking the TV shouldn't work it does
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sometimes yeah yeah the old old TVs they
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did my grandpa used to slap the top for
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sure yeah it would work sometimes
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yeah so this deep right simulation I
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implanted devices in the brain that have
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changed people's lives for the better
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like fundamentally well let's talk about
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what you can talk about to what neural
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link is because the last time you were
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here
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I really couldn't discuss it and then
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there was a I guess a press release
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something that sort of ironed yeah that
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happened quite a bit after the last time
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you were here so what exactly is it how
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do you do what what happens if someone
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ultimately does get a neural link
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installed what will take place well for
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version one of the device it would be it
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basically
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implanted in your skull so but it would
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be such a flush with your skull so you
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basically take out a chunk of skull
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replace put the new relic device in
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there you put the the electrode you
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didn't sort the electrode threads very
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carefully into the brain and and then
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you you know stitch it up and and you
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wouldn't even know that somebody has and
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then and and so then it it can interface
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basically anywhere anywhere your brain
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so it could be something that you know
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helps cure say eyesight like give you
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roberto's your eyesight even if you've
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like lost your object of type of thing
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like really yeah yeah absolutely
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hearing absolutely um maybe pretty much
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anything that were that it could in
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principle fix almost anything that is
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wrong with the brain and it could
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restore limb functionality so if you've
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got an interface into the motor cortex
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and then an implant that's say that's
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like a microcontroller near muscle
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groups you could then create a sort of a
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neural shunt that restores somebody who
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is a quadriplegic to full functionality
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like they can walk around be normal whoa
19:51
yeah so maybe slightly better slightly
19:54
better over time yes
19:56
you mean with future iterations like but
19:58
you know
20:00
although I states that would be a six
20:04
billion dollar so the the hole would be
20:08
small how big with the Hobie that you
20:09
have to drill and then replace with this
20:12
piece there's only one hole well yeah
20:17
the device working on right now is about
20:20
it's about an inch in diameter and your
20:24
skull is pretty thick by the way so
20:25
skulls are for sure it might actually
20:27
literally I mean pure big if you're a
20:31
big guy your skull is actually fairly
20:33
thick skulls like it's like seven to
20:36
fourteen millimeters so I love a couple
20:39
of inches a half-inch no happier six ago
20:42
yes so yeah so that that's a fair bit of
20:46
like our our we got quite a coconut
20:49
going on it's not it's not like some
20:51
eggshell oh yeah I believe you
20:52
so the yeah basically implant device and
20:58
so you would be like a one inch square
21:01
one inch in diameter yeah like a so an
21:03
inch circle like a circular yeah I think
21:06
like a like a SmartWatch or a dearth
21:08
okay yeah okay so you take this one inch
21:12
a minute
21:13
like ice fishing right you ever go ice
21:15
fishing no but I'd like to it's great
21:18
yeah it's really fun
21:19
so you basically take an auger and you
21:22
drill it take through the surface of the
21:25
ice yeah and you create a small hole I
21:27
can dunk your line in there so this is
21:29
like that you're ice fishing on the top
21:31
of your skull and then you cork it yeah
21:33
and you replaced that say one-inch
21:36
diameter piece of skull with this arrow
21:40
like device and that has a battery and a
21:43
Bluetooth and a inductive charger and
21:47
then you and
21:49
not and then you get in so with the
21:50
electrodes so that lectroids very
21:53
carefully inserted with our with a robot
21:57
that we developed that's look it's you
21:59
know very carefully putting in the
22:00
electrodes and avoiding you know and any
22:02
veins or arteries so it's it doesn't
22:05
create trauma so through this one inch
22:08
diameter yeah device electrodes be
22:11
inserted and they will find
22:13
way like tiny wires face tiny wires
22:15
anywheres and they'll find their way to
22:16
specific areas of the brain to stimulate
22:18
no you literally put them where it where
22:21
they're supposed to go oh okay yeah you
22:24
soon so how long will these wires be I
22:27
mean they usually go in like you know
22:29
depending on where it is like you know
22:33
two or three millimeters so they just
22:36
find the spots yeah Wow
22:39
and then again they you put the device
22:44
in and that that gets that better
22:46
replaces the little piece of skull I was
22:49
taken out and then you you stitch up the
22:53
hole and and you just have a look like a
22:56
little scar and that's it well this
22:58
would be replaceable or reversible yes
23:00
like if someone can't take it I'm too
23:02
smart I can't take it
23:04
yeah totally and what is the besides
23:07
restoring limb function and eyesight and
23:10
hearing which are all amazing is there
23:11
there any cognitive benefits that you
23:13
anticipate from something like those
23:15
yeah I mean you could for sure
23:19
I mean basically it's a generalized sort
23:28
of thing for for fixing any kind of
23:33
brain injury in principle like you've
23:34
you or if you've got like like severe
23:36
epilepsy or something like that it could
23:37
it could just gets just sort of stop the
23:39
episode epilepsy from occurring like you
23:41
could detect it in real time and then
23:43
fire a counter pulse and stop the
23:45
epilepsy if I mean there's a whole range
23:51
of brain injuries I could people someone
23:53
gets a stroke they could lose the
23:54
ability to speak into that battle
23:58
spectacle so we've fixed so she could
24:00
get like stroke damage or if you lose
24:02
say you know muscle control over part of
24:05
your face or something like that I think
24:06
and then when you get old you tend to if
24:10
you get like you know Alzheimer's or
24:13
something like that then you lose memory
24:15
and that this could help you with you
24:17
know restoring your memory like I think
24:19
we're storing memory and what what is
24:21
happening that's allowing it to do that
24:23
like the wires these small wires yeah
24:26
stimulating these areas of the brain and
24:28
then is it that the areas of the brain
24:29
are there they're losing some sort of
24:32
electrical force like what it what is
24:33
happening yeah yeah it's like to think
24:37
of us like a bunch of circuits and
24:38
there's some like circuits that are
24:41
broken and we can like fix those
24:45
circuits it substitute for those
24:47
circuits circuits and so a specific
24:49
frequency will go through this yeah just
24:52
a specific in that we is the process
24:56
figuring out how much or how little has
24:58
to be how much these areas of the brain
25:01
have to be juiced up yeah I mean there's
25:04
still a lot of work to do so when I say
25:07
you know we've got a shot at probably
25:09
putting in a person in you know a it was
25:13
in a year I think that's well that's
25:15
exactly what I mean I think we have a
25:16
chance of putting input into one and
25:18
having them having them be healthy and
25:21
and restoring some functionality that
25:24
they've lost
25:25
the fear is that eventually they're
25:27
gonna have to cut the whole top
25:29
someone's head off and put a new top
25:31
with a whole bunch of wires if you want
25:34
to get you know the real turbocharged
25:37
version the P 100 D of brain stimulation
25:43
I mean ultimately if you if you want to
25:47
go with full AI symbiosis you'll
25:50
probably want to do something like that
25:53
symbiosis is a scary word when it comes
25:55
to AI it's optional I would hope so
26:02
yeah it's just I mean once you enjoy the
26:06
dr. Manhattan lifestyle once once you
26:08
become a God seems very very unlikely
26:12
you're gonna want to go back to being
26:14
stupid again I mean you literally could
26:16
fundamentally change the way human
26:18
beings interface with each other yes yes
26:21
you wouldn't need to talk
26:23
[Laughter]
26:26
I'm so scared of that but so excited
26:29
about at the same time is that weird
26:31
yeah I mean the I think this is one of
26:35
the paths to you know I think like what
26:41
a like a is getting better and better so
26:45
now let's assume it's sort of like a
26:47
benign ni scenario even in a benign
26:50
scenario we're kind of left behind you
26:52
know we're not we're not along for the
26:54
ride we're just too dumb right so so how
26:59
do you go along for the ride and so you
27:02
can't beat them join them
27:03
so and we're already we're already a
27:08
sidewalk to some degree right cuz you've
27:10
got your phone you got your laptop
27:11
closes yeah yeah Ghidorah your
27:14
electronic devices yeah and I mean we're
27:19
today if your phone if you if you don't
27:21
bring your phone along it's like you
27:22
have missing limb syndrome it's like you
27:25
know feels like something's but really
27:26
really missing so we're already partly
27:32
partly a partly a cyborg or a iesson
27:36
buyout essentially it's just that the
27:40
data rate to the electronics is slow so
27:44
it's very specially output like you're
27:46
just going with your thumbs and I mean
27:49
like what's your data rate
27:51
maybe optimistically a hundred bits per
27:54
second that's being generous and now the
27:58
computer can can't communicate at it
28:00
like you know 100 100 terabytes so so it
28:06
certainly you know get gigabits or a
28:08
trivial at this point so this is like
28:12
you know basically you can your computer
28:14
could do not do things a million times
28:17
faster or at a certain point it's like
28:22
talking there's like talking to a tree
28:24
okay just boring you talk to a tree it's
28:29
not very entertaining so so if you if
28:35
you can solve the data rate issue and
28:38
you're especially I put
28:40
input - then you can improve the
28:44
symbiosis that is already occurring
28:46
between man and machine so you can
28:50
improve it in what when you said you
28:52
won't have to talk to each other anymore
28:54
we should joke around about that I've
28:57
joked around about that a million times
28:58
in this podcast that one day in the
29:00
future there's gonna come a time where
29:01
you can read each other's minds and well
29:03
you'll be able to interface with each
29:05
other in some sort of a nonverbal not
29:07
non-physical way where you will transfer
29:10
data back and forth to each other
29:11
without having to actually use your
29:13
mouth yeah exactly so when you like what
29:19
happens when you like let's say you've
29:21
got some complex idea that you're trying
29:22
to convey to somebody else and how do
29:24
you do that well your brain spends a lot
29:27
of effort compressing a complex concept
29:31
into words and there's a there's a lot
29:35
of a lot of loss an information loss
29:37
that occurs when compressing a complex
29:40
concept into words and then you say
29:42
those words those words are then
29:43
interpreted then they're decompressed by
29:45
the person who is listening and they
29:47
they will it best get a very incomplete
29:50
understanding of what you're trying to
29:52
convey it's very difficult to convey a
29:54
complex concept with precision because
29:57
you've got compression decompression you
30:01
may not even have heard all the woods
30:03
correctly and so communication is
30:07
difficult what we have here is a failure
30:09
to communicate Luke yes there's an
30:15
interpretation factor to like you can
30:17
choose to interpret certain series of
30:22
words in in different ways and they're
30:25
dependent upon tone dependent upon
30:27
social cues even facial expressions
30:30
sarcasm there's a lot of variables
30:33
sarcasm is difficult yes yeah and so
30:36
when I'm one of the things that I've
30:39
said it's like that there could be
30:40
potentially a universal language that's
30:43
created through computers that
30:45
particularly young kids would pick up
30:47
very quickly like my kids do tick-tock
30:50
and all this jazz and I don't know what
30:52
they're doing they just know how to do
30:53
it and
30:53
know how to do it really quickly like
30:55
they learn really quickly they show me
30:56
how to edit things and yeah it's if you
30:58
taught a child from first grade on how
31:01
to use some new universal language I
31:04
mean essentially like a rosetta stone
31:06
and something that's done with that
31:09
interprets your thoughts and you can
31:12
convey your thoughts with no room for
31:15
interpretation with clear very clear
31:18
where you know what a person saying and
31:21
you can tell them what you're saying and
31:24
there's no need for noises no need for
31:26
mouth noises no need for yes these sort
31:29
of accepted ways that we've sort of
31:32
evolved to make sounds that we all agree
31:36
we through our cultural district Marian
31:39
Wright we agree or certain we could
31:41
bypass all that yeah you can still do it
31:43
for four fundamental reasons right like
31:46
campfires yeah exactly
31:49
I don't need campfires I don't need to
31:51
roast marshmallows was fun so yeah yeah
31:56
I think you would in principle you would
31:58
be able to communicate very quickly and
32:04
with far more precision ideas and and
32:10
language would I'm not sure what would
32:14
happen to language but you could
32:15
probably get within a situation like
32:17
this that you would be able to just
32:18
kinda like the matrix you want to speak
32:20
it of language no problem
32:21
right that's why it was to download the
32:23
program right so at least for the first
32:28
iterations first few iterations we'll
32:31
just be able to use like I know that
32:32
Google has their some of their pixel
32:36
buds have the ability to interpret
32:39
languages in real time sure yeah you can
32:42
hear it and it'll play things back to
32:44
you and whatever language you choose so
32:46
to be something along those lines
32:48
yeah for the first few iterations well
32:52
the first few iterations are about what
32:54
I'm talking about it's like in the limit
32:56
over time you know with a lot of
32:58
development the first few iterations
33:00
really in the first few versions all
33:03
we're gonna be trying to do is it's all
33:04
pair brain injuries um
33:06
so it's like don't don't worry that
33:08
there's not gonna sneak up on you
33:10
because this this will take a while how
33:12
many years before you don't have to talk
33:18
if the if the development continues to
33:24
accelerate then maybe like five years
33:29
five to ten years that's quick that's
33:33
really quick that's the best-case
33:34
scenario no talking anymore
33:36
in five years best-case scenario ma'am
33:39
tens more like it
33:40
I've always speculated that aliens could
33:43
potentially be us in the future because
33:46
if you look at like the size their heads
33:48
and the fact that they have very little
33:50
muscle and then they don't use their
33:51
mouth anymore they was tiny well I mean
33:53
the archetypal ain't alien that you see
33:55
in like Close Encounters of the Third
33:57
Kind they they're like if you went from
33:59
like Australia Pittacus or ancient
34:04
hominid to us what's the difference less
34:06
hair less muscle bigger head and then
34:10
just keep going thousand a million
34:12
whatever your or five years whatever it
34:15
whatever happens when neural link goes
34:17
on online and then we slowly start to
34:21
adapt to this new way of being where we
34:25
don't use our muscles anymore we have
34:27
this gigantic head we can talk without
34:29
words you could also save state and save
34:36
state save state like save your brain
34:39
state like like a save game in a video
34:41
game whoa like like if you want to swap
34:44
from Windows 95
34:45
well yeah I think we are Windows 95
34:51
right now future perspective probably
34:55
but yeah I mean you you could save state
34:59
and restore that state into a biological
35:03
being if you if you wanted to in the
35:05
future I'm principal is like knowing
35:06
like for physics standpoint that
35:07
prevents us now you'd be a little
35:09
different but then you're also a little
35:10
different when you wake up in the
35:11
morning from yesterday and you're a
35:12
little different in fact if you say like
35:14
you five years ago versus you today is
35:17
quite a big difference yes so
35:19
you'd be substantially you I mean you'd
35:22
be you'd certainly think you're you but
35:23
the idea of saving yourself and then
35:27
transforming that into some sort of a
35:29
biological state like you could hang out
35:32
with 30 year old you I mean the
35:35
possibilities are endless
35:37
[Laughter]
35:40
I mean these things think like how your
35:42
phone can you can record videos on your
35:44
phone like there's no way you could
35:46
remember a video right as accurately as
35:48
your phone or a camera you know could so
35:52
if you've got like it you know some some
35:55
yep
35:56
version 10 your link whatever in far in
35:59
the future you could you could remote
36:02
you could recall everything but just
36:04
like it's a movie critic including all
36:07
the entire sensory experience emotions
36:09
everything everything everything and
36:12
play it back thank you she added it yeah
36:17
so you can change your past you could
36:19
change what do you think was your fast
36:21
yeah well so if you had like a stressful
36:23
thing right now could be a replayed
36:26
memory it could be yeah it may be what's
36:30
the odds of this being a replayed memory
36:32
you had a guess it's more than 50%
36:36
there's no way to assign a probability
36:38
with accuracy here right but roughly if
36:44
you just had a just gut instinct well I
36:49
don't happen you were linked in my brain
36:51
so I say right now is your a percent but
36:55
at the point of what you do have in your
36:57
link then it rises above 0% the idea
37:03
that we're experiencing some sort of a
37:05
preserved memory is even though it's
37:09
still the same it's not comforting right
37:12
for some reason when people talk about
37:15
simulation theory they talk about the
37:17
potential for this currently being a
37:19
simulation it's even though your life
37:21
might be wonderful you might be in love
37:24
you might love your career you might
37:26
have great friends but it's not
37:29
comforting to know that this experience
37:31
somehow or another doesn't exist in a
37:33
material
37:33
you can knock on feels real to feels
37:37
real but but if it's not but the idea
37:39
that it's not is for some strange reason
37:43
disconcerting what yeah I'm sure
37:45
should be disconcerting because then if
37:48
this is not real what is well but but
37:51
the you know there's that old sort of
37:54
thought experiment of like how do you
37:57
know you're not a brain-in-a-vat you
38:00
know right now here's the thing you are
38:02
a brain an event then that faddish your
38:04
skull yes and everything you see feel
38:07
hear and what everything all your senses
38:09
our electrical signals everything
38:12
everything is an electrical signal to to
38:18
arraign an event where the batteries
38:19
rose gold and all your hormones all you
38:22
neurotransmitters all these things are
38:24
drugs adrenaline is a drug
38:26
dopamine's a drug you're a drug factory
38:29
they're constantly changing your state
38:31
with love and oxytocin and and beauty
38:35
sure changes your state great music
38:37
changes your state absolutely and yet
38:42
here's another sort of interesting idea
38:44
which is because you say like where did
38:47
consciousness arise well assuming you
38:50
believe the belief in physics which
38:53
appears to be true then you know we the
38:57
universe started off as basically quarks
39:00
and leptons and quickly became hydrogen
39:02
and helium lithium like basically
39:05
elements the periodic table like mostly
39:08
hydrogen basically and then and then
39:13
over a long period of time you know 13.8
39:18
billion years later that hydrogen became
39:20
sentient but so where along the way that
39:27
concha where isn't that consciousness
39:29
what's the line of consciousness and not
39:30
consciousness between hydrogen and here
39:33
right when do we call it when do we call
39:36
it consciousness I was watching a video
39:38
today that we played on a podcast
39:39
earlier of a monkey riding a motorcycle
39:42
down the street jumps off the motorcycle
39:43
and tries to steal a baby yeah so that
39:45
one it
39:46
what is that monkey conscious it seems
39:50
like it is seems like it had a plan it
39:52
was riding a ****ing motorcycle and then
39:54
jumped off the motorcycle tries to steal
39:55
a baby seemed pretty the one that just
39:58
subtract baby down the street pretty far
40:00
yeah yeah
40:01
seems pretty conscious right that's
40:06
definitely some degree of consciousness
40:07
there yeah it's not like it's not a worm
40:10
it seems to be on another level yeah and
40:13
it's gonna keep going and that that's
40:16
the real concern when when people think
40:20
about the potential future versions of
40:23
human beings especially when you
40:24
consider symbiotic relationship to
40:27
artificial intelligence it will be
40:28
unrecognizable that one day will be so
40:30
far removed from what this is we'll look
40:33
back on this the way we look back now on
40:36
you know simple simple organisms that we
40:39
evolved from and then it won't be that
40:42
far in the future that we do have this
40:45
this view back well I hope consciousness
40:48
propagates into the future and gets more
40:50
more sophisticated and complex and and
40:52
that understands the questions to ask
40:56
about the universe do you think that's
40:58
the case as a human being as yourself
41:01
you're clearly trying to make conscious
41:04
decisions to be a better version of you
41:07
right this is the idea of like getting
41:08
rid of your possessions and realizing
41:10
that you're trying to like I don't like
41:12
this I will try to improve this I would
41:15
try to do a better version of the way I
41:17
interface with reality that this is
41:20
always the way things are if you're if
41:22
you're moving in a some sort of a
41:25
direction where you're trying to improve
41:26
things you're always gonna move into
41:28
this new place we look back in the old
41:31
place and go I was doing it wrong back
41:32
then so this is an accelerated version
41:36
of that yes super accelerated version of
41:39
that I mean you don't always improve but
41:43
you can aspire to improve you can aspire
41:45
to be less wrong yeah it was like I
41:48
think it good the tools of physics are
41:50
very powerful like just to see me wrong
41:52
and your astral goal is to be less wrong
41:54
I don't think you're gonna if you
41:57
succeed every day and being less wrong
41:58
but you know
41:59
if you can't succeed in being less wrong
42:01
most the time you're doing great
42:04
that's a great way of putting it aspire
42:05
to be less wrong but then when you know
42:09
people look back in nostalgia about
42:10
simpler times there's that too it's very
42:12
romantic and exciting to look back on
42:16
campfires because they'll have a
42:18
campfire yes yeah but we appreciate it
42:21
when you're a super nerd when you're
42:22
connected to the grid and you have some
42:24
skullcap and it's in place of the top of
42:27
your head and it's interfacing with the
42:30
international language that the rest of
42:32
the universe now enjoys communication
42:35
with people and we're yeah sure right
42:38
that thinks oh yeah I like at first I'm
42:43
just worried I mean everyone's always
42:45
scared of change but I'm scared of this
42:47
monumental change where we won't we
42:50
won't talk anymore I mean that thing yes
42:53
but that's there's something about
42:56
there's something about the beauty of
42:58
the crudeness of language where when
43:01
it's done eloquently it's it's it's
43:03
satisfying and it hits us in some sort
43:07
of a visceral way like oh that person
43:09
nailed it
43:10
I love that they nailed it like that
43:12
it's so hard to capture a real thought
43:14
and convey it in a way this articulate
43:18
way that makes someone a great quote by
43:21
a wise person it makes you excited that
43:24
their mind figured something out put the
43:26
words together in a write with it makes
43:28
your brain pop like oh yes yeah yes
43:32
clever compression of a concept yeah and
43:35
a feeling but the fact that a human did
43:37
it - yeah do you think that it'll be
43:40
like electronic music like people won't
43:42
appreciate it like they appreciate a
43:43
slide guitar
43:44
I like electronic music I do - yeah
43:49
while you make it I know you like art
43:51
yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I hope you're
43:56
sure it's more fun and interesting and
43:58
we should try to make that way I hope
44:01
it's more fun and interesting - yeah I
44:03
just you know I just hope you don't lose
44:05
anything along the way when I lose
44:08
little obviously we gain more than lose
44:10
yeah that's the thing right gave me more
44:12
than we lose like
44:13
something that makes us interesting is
44:14
that we're so flawed I stopped for sure
44:16
alright yeah I mean you look at
44:20
civilization through the ages most of
44:23
them you know they rose and fell yeah
44:25
and I do think like the globalization
44:31
that that we have at these sort of like
44:36
the the mean sphere is there's there's
44:39
not enough isolation between countries
44:42
or regions it's like if you get up if
44:47
there's a mind virus that that mind
44:50
virus cannot infect too much of the
44:51
world you know like I actually sort of
44:55
some ties with the anti-globalization
44:57
people because it's like man we don't
45:00
ever want to everywhere it'll be the
45:01
same for sure and and then we we need
45:04
some kind of like mind viral immunity so
45:08
that's it's a bit concerning mind viral
45:12
immunity meaning that once something
45:14
like neural link gets established the
45:17
real concern is something that mean you
45:19
said it's Bluetooth right or some future
45:22
version of that that the idea is that
45:24
something could possibly get into it
45:26
**** it up no I'm talking about like
45:28
somebody there's some cockeyed concept
45:31
that that's happened that happens right
45:36
right now mm-hmm
45:38
y know this viruses and embedded chips
45:41
right like people have they've embedded
45:43
chips and then acquired viruses that
45:46
what I'm talk about in mind voice I'm
45:47
talking about like a cake concept of
45:50
that it affects people's minds oh okay
45:52
okay
45:53
like cult thinking or yeah I'm sort of
45:57
fundamentalism yeah wrong had an idea
46:00
that yes goes viral in a an idea sense
46:06
mm-hmm well that is that that is a
46:09
problem too right if someone can
46:10
manipulate that technology to make
46:12
something appear logical or rational
46:15
yeah yeah that would it would that be an
46:18
issue to with this is a very have versus
46:22
have-nots issue right once this thing if
46:24
this really does I'm
46:26
initially it's going to help people with
46:28
with injuries and but you said
46:30
ultimately it could lead to this
46:33
spectacular cognitive change yes but the
46:36
people that first get it should have us
46:38
a massive advantage over people that
46:41
don't have it yet well I mean it's the
46:44
kind of thing where your productivity
46:46
would improve
46:47
I don't know dramatically maybe by a
46:49
factor of 10 with it
46:50
so you could definitely just you know I
46:55
don't know take out a loan and do it and
46:57
earn earn the money back real fast yeah
47:00
super smart but in a capitalist society
47:04
you know you could it seems like you
47:07
could really get so far ahead that
47:08
before everybody else could afford this
47:11
thing and link up and get connected as
47:13
well you'd be so far how they could
47:15
never catch you is that a concern uh
47:18
well I think the I'm just not a super
47:24
huge concern I mean there are huge
47:25
differences in cognitive ability and and
47:27
resources already yeah I mean you can
47:30
think of a corporation as like a
47:32
cybernetic collective that's far smarter
47:36
than an individual like III couldn't
47:38
personally build like a whole rocket and
47:40
and the engines and launch it and
47:42
everything that's impossible
47:44
but you know we have 8,000 people with
47:46
SpaceX and you like piecing it out to
47:53
different people and using like
47:55
computers and machines and stuff we can
47:59
make lots of rockets launched at all but
48:01
duck with the space station and that
48:03
kind of thing you know so that already
48:07
exists where this you know where those
48:11
corporations are vastly more capable
48:13
than an individual but the the yeah like
48:20
we should be I think less concerned
48:22
about like relative capabilities between
48:26
people and more like they're having AI
48:31
be vastly you know beyond us and
48:35
decoupled from human will decoupled from
48:39
humans
48:40
so this is the if you can't beat them
48:41
join them yeah I mean so you feel like
48:45
it's inevitable like a sentient AI is
48:48
essentially inevitable super sentient AI
48:50
yeah look beyond a level that's
48:53
difficult to understand and impossible
48:56
Tarzan probably and somehow or another
48:59
us so it's almost like it's a
49:05
requirement for survival to achieve some
49:09
sort of symbiotic existence with AI it's
49:13
not a requirement it's just if you if
49:18
you want to be along for the ride then
49:23
you need to do some kind of symbiosis so
49:25
the way your brain works right now
49:27
you've got kind of like the animal brain
49:30
reptile brain kind of lets frogs they
49:34
like the limbic system basically and
49:36
you've got the cortex now that the brain
49:40
purists will argue with this definition
49:41
but essentially you've got the primitive
49:44
brain and you've got the the sort of
49:47
smart brain or the brain that's capable
49:50
of planning and understanding concepts
49:52
and different difficult you know things
49:54
that a monkey can't understand now the
49:58
your cortex is much much smarter than
50:01
your limbic system nonetheless they work
50:05
together well so I haven't met anyone
50:08
who wants to delete their limbic system
50:09
or the cortex they're people quite happy
50:12
having both so we can think about this
50:16
as being like that the computer the AI
50:19
is it's like a third layer of tertiary
50:21
layer so that is like that could be
50:25
symbiotic with the cortex if we much
50:27
smarter than the cortex but you
50:29
essentially have three layers and you
50:31
actually have that right now your phone
50:33
is capable of things and your computer
50:35
is capable things that your brain is
50:36
definitely not you know storing the
50:40
terabytes of information perfectly
50:44
doing incredible calculations that you
50:48
know we couldn't even come close to
50:49
doing you have that with your computer
50:52
it's just like I said the data rate is
50:54
slow your the connection is weak why is
50:58
it so disconcerting or why is it why
51:01
does it not give me comfort to think
51:04
about like when I think about a
51:06
symbiotic connection to AI I always
51:08
think of this cold emotionless sort of
51:13
thing that we will become is that a bad
51:17
way to look at it I don't think that's
51:18
that's not quick that's not how it would
51:20
be it likes it you you already are yeah
51:23
sabbatic with AI or computers phones
51:26
computers laptops yeah and this this
51:29
quite a bit of AI going on you know so
51:31
artificial neural Nets increasingly
51:35
neural nets are sort of taking over from
51:39
regular programming more and more so you
51:44
are connected you know if you use Google
51:50
Voice or Alexa or one of those things
51:51
it's using a neural net to decode your
51:53
speech and try understand what you're
51:54
saying you know if you're trying to
51:58
image recognition or improve the quality
52:00
of photograph it's it's using the neuron
52:03
that's the best way to do that so you
52:07
are already sort of it's sort of a
52:12
cybernetics my oat it like said you know
52:16
it's just a question of your data rate
52:19
the the communication speed between your
52:23
phone and your brain is slow when do you
52:27
think you're gonna do it how long will
52:29
you wait like once it starts becoming
52:34
available yeah if it works I'll do it
52:36
sure right away I mean let's make sure
52:40
it works how do we make sure it works we
52:43
try it on prisoners like what do you do
52:45
no no rapists no cut holes in their head
52:48
I like said if somebody's got a serious
52:50
brain injury right and there you know
52:53
people have like very severe brain
52:54
injuries then and then you can fix those
52:58
those brain injuries and you know then
53:02
you prove out that it works and you all
53:05
Bluff expand and
53:06
make me more and more brain injuries it
53:10
sold more and more and then you know
53:12
certainly at certain age we will are
53:14
gonna get Alzheimer's we're all gonna
53:15
get senile and then you know mom's
53:18
forget the names their kids and that
53:20
kind of thing and so you know dude it's
53:22
like you said okay well you know this
53:24
would allow you to remember your names
53:27
of your kids and and have a normal
53:30
they're a much more normal life where
53:32
you you you were able to function much
53:34
later in life so I think that so
53:37
essentially that there would almost
53:39
everyone would find a need at some point
53:41
if if you get old enough to use in your
53:44
own your link and and and then it's like
53:48
okay so we can improve the functionality
53:51
and improve the communications to
53:53
communication speed so then you will not
53:57
have to use your thumbs to communicate
53:59
with the computer do you ever sit down
54:03
extrapolate do you ever that like sit
54:04
down and think about all the different
54:07
iterations of this and what this
54:09
eventually leads to yeah sure think
54:15
about a lot there's like said this is
54:20
not something it's gonna sneak up on you
54:21
you know there's like getting FDA
54:23
approval for this stuff is not like
54:24
overnight you know and this this I mean
54:31
we probably have to be on like version
54:33
10 or something before you know you it
54:38
it would realistically be you know a
54:45
human a ice and bio situation it see it
54:52
coming you know you see it coming but
54:54
what do you think it's gonna be like
54:55
when you sit when you're alone if you
54:58
have free time I don't know if you have
54:59
free time but if you just sit down and
55:01
think about this iteration the next
55:04
onward keep going and you drag it out
55:08
with improvements along the way and
55:10
leaps and bounds and technological
55:12
innovations and where do you see it what
55:19
are we gonna be a
55:20
and 2025 years from now what are we
55:22
gonna be
55:30
well assuming civilization is still
55:32
around it's looking fragile right now I
55:37
think we I think we could have a 25
55:44
years probably something I would think
55:45
there could be a whole brain interface a
55:48
whole brain interface so I'm pretty
55:52
close to that yeah how does how do you
55:53
define what do you mean by whole brain
55:55
interface like almost all the neurons
56:01
are connected to your these sort of AI
56:10
extension of yourself if you want AI
56:16
extension of yourself yeah what does
56:20
that mean to you like when you say AI
56:21
extension of yourself well you like said
56:26
you already have a computer extension of
56:29
yourself in your phone you know and
56:31
computers and stuff so and now online
56:34
it's like somebody dies there's like an
56:35
online ghost that there get their stole
56:38
their online stuff is yeah
56:40
it's alive that's a good way to put it
56:42
is weird when you read someone's tweets
56:44
have their dad yeah yeah Instagram and
56:47
their stories and yeah whatever Facebook
56:50
it's not you know like you know it's
56:52
like an online ghost that's very
56:55
accurate yeah so yeah so that there's it
57:03
would just be that that more of you
57:05
would be in the cloud I guess then in
57:08
your body
57:09
or if it more of you Wow
57:15
now when you say civilizations fragile
57:17
do you mean because of this covet 19
57:19
*sugar* that's going on right now what's
57:21
that it's this thing you know it's like
57:23
some people just get a copy over other
57:26
people it gets much worse sure yeah well
57:34
yeah
57:36
I mean this certainly has taken over the
57:41
mind space of the world to a degree that
57:44
is quite shocking yeah well I don't know
57:47
where that's what's crazy it's like you
57:49
go back to November nothing now here we
57:52
are December January February March
57:54
April May six months totally different
57:57
world
57:58
so from nothing to everything's locked
58:00
down there's so much conflicting
58:03
information and conflicting opinions
58:05
about how to proceed what what has
58:08
happened you you find things where there
58:11
was a meatpacking plant
58:13
I believe in Missouri where 300 plus
58:17
people or asymptomatic tested positive
58:20
ray symptomatic and then in other places
58:23
it just ravages entire communities and
58:25
kills people and it's it's so weird
58:27
it almost appears on the outlook if you
58:30
didn't know any better you'd be like
58:31
what it seems like there's a bunch of
58:32
different viruses doesn't seem like it's
58:35
the same thing or has a bunch of
58:37
different reactions to the biological
58:40
variety of people yeah I mean I I kind
58:48
of sold this whole thing play out in
58:50
China before it played out in the u.s.
58:53
so it's kind of like watching the same
58:57
movie again but in English yeah
59:07
I might I think the thievery that the
59:13
mortality rate is is much less than what
59:16
is then what say the World Health
59:19
Organization said it was it's very much
59:21
much less acai probably at least order
59:23
of magnitude less well it it seems to be
59:26
very deadly to very specific kinds of
59:28
people and people with specific problems
59:32
yeah I mean if you're you can look at
59:36
the mortality statistics you know by age
59:38
and whether they have come whatever it
59:40
come over it is like do they have like
59:42
basically existing conditions and by age
59:45
and you know if you're
59:50
below 60 and and have no serious health
59:55
issues the probability of death is
59:56
extremely low it's not zero but it's
59:58
extremely low they didn't think that
60:02
this was the case though when they first
60:04
started to lock down the country do you
60:06
think that it's a situation where once
60:09
they've proceeded in a certain way it's
60:11
very difficult to correct course that's
60:18
most like people really wanted a panic
60:22
quite quite crazy but in some places a
60:26
panic is deserved right look if you're
60:28
in the ICU in Manhattan and people are
60:30
dying left and right and everyone's on
60:31
into baiters and it's a when you see all
60:37
these people on ventilators and so many
60:39
of them are dying and you see these
60:41
nurses are dying and doctors are getting
60:43
sick in some places that fear is
60:46
justified but then in other places
60:49
you're you're reading these stories
60:51
about hospitals that are essentially
60:54
half-empty they're they're having to
60:56
furlough doctors and nurses because
60:58
there's no work for them most of the
61:01
hospitals in the United States right now
61:02
half-empty or in some cases they're at
61:05
30% capacity and is this because they've
61:08
decided to forgo elective procedures and
61:11
and and normal things that people would
61:14
have to go to the hospital for yes I
61:17
mean and we're not talking about just
61:19
some of these elective procedures are
61:21
quite important yeah it's like you have
61:23
a bad heart disease yeah sure and you
61:25
need a you know triple bypass it's like
61:28
sort of elective but if you don't get it
61:31
done in time it's you're gonna die
61:33
yeah it's electives weird word elective
61:35
it's not like hey I wanna there's no
61:39
like plastic surgeries like it's more
61:43
like like my my hip is I'm an extreme
61:45
pain because my my hips blown out or my
61:47
knee and I don't want to go to the
61:49
hospital I can't go to the hospital to
61:51
you know people in extreme pain feel
61:53
that need a kidney you know like people
61:55
have to have like quite serious issues
61:57
that are choosing not to go out of fear
61:59
so I think it's it's a problem good it's
62:03
C
62:03
like the state of public perception is
62:05
shifting it is like people are taking
62:08
some deep breaths and relaxing and
62:10
because of the statistics of I mean and
62:13
and essentially across the board it's
62:15
being recognized that it's not as fatal
62:19
as we thought it was still danger is
62:21
still worse than the flu but not as bad
62:23
as we thought or are we feared it could
62:26
be I'm an objectively the mortality is
62:30
as much lower like at least a factor of
62:35
10 maybe a factor of 50 lower than
62:38
initially thought do you think that the
62:42
current way we're handling this the
62:45
social distancing the mass the locking
62:48
down is it does this make sense is it
62:51
adequate or do you think that we should
62:53
move back to at least closer to where we
62:57
used to be well I think proper hygiene
63:01
is a good thing no matter what you know
63:03
wash your hands and you know and if
63:05
you're if you're coughing stay home or
63:08
wear a mask is not good you know if I
63:12
could do that in Japan that's like
63:13
normal if you're if you're Lu you wear a
63:16
face mask and you know cough on people I
63:18
think that that would be a great thing
63:20
to to adopt in general throughout the
63:22
world and for washing your hands also
63:27
good well that's the speculation why men
63:29
get it more than women because men are
63:30
disgusting we don't want it are just
63:32
it's true it's true gross ass go to the
63:37
restroom because my nine-year-old
63:40
daughter yells at me just did you wash
63:42
your hands
63:42
she makes me go back and wash my hands
63:44
mmm she's right nine years I've had a
63:47
nine-year-old boy do you think you'd
63:48
care I wouldn't give a **** if I wash my
63:50
hands
63:51
sure so I think that there's this to
63:56
play some silver linings here then in
63:58
improved you know hygiene yeah and an
64:02
awareness of potential yes and I think
64:04
this has shaken up the the system
64:07
systems like somewhat moribund with
64:09
blood layers layers of bureaucracy and I
64:12
think that we've you know cut through
64:13
some of that bureaucracy and if we you
64:17
know some
64:17
point there probably will be a pandemic
64:21
with with a with a high mortality rate
64:24
you know that was a debate about like
64:27
what's high but I mean like something
64:28
that's killing a lot of twenty-year-old
64:30
would say like we're like it's yes if
64:32
you had like Ebola type of mortality
64:34
Spanish flu something yeah actually just
64:37
him some healthy people yeah yeah
64:39
no but it's a yeah like like killing
64:44
large numbers of young healthy people
64:46
that that's you know defined that as
64:49
like high mortality then that this is at
64:54
least practice for something like that
64:56
and I think there's this you know given
65:00
it's just a matter a matter of time that
65:01
there will be eventually some some such
65:03
pandemic do you think that in a sense
65:06
the one good thing that we might get out
65:09
of this is the realization that this is
65:10
a potential reality that we got lucky in
65:13
the sense I mean in people that didn't
65:16
get lucky and died of course I'm not
65:17
disrespecting their death and their loss
65:19
but I'm saying overall as a culture as a
65:22
community as a human race as a community
65:24
this is not as bad as it could have been
65:26
this is a good dry run for us to to
65:28
appreciate that
65:30
we need far more resources dedicated
65:33
towards the the understanding these
65:37
diseases what to do in the case of
65:39
pandemic and much more money that goes
65:42
to funding treatments and and some
65:46
preventative measures yeah absolutely
65:49
and I think I think there's a good
65:53
chance I it's highly likely I think
65:54
coming out of this that we will develop
65:57
vaccines that we didn't have before
66:01
for corona viruses and other other
66:04
viruses and and possibly it cures for
66:08
for these and our understanding of
66:11
viruses of this nature has improved
66:13
dramatically because of the attention
66:15
that it's received so there's definitely
66:19
some you know a lot of silver linings
66:21
here and potentially if we add correctly
66:25
yeah yeah yeah there's I think you
66:29
there will be some amount of lightning
66:31
here no matter what hopefully more
66:33
purpose of lighting up and less yeah so
66:38
yeah this is this is a looks like kind
66:41
of like a practice run for something had
66:43
that that had a potential that might in
66:46
the future have a serious like a really
66:48
high mortality rate and we kind of got
66:53
to go through this with without without
66:55
it being something that kills you know
66:57
vast numbers of young healthy people
66:59
yeah when you made a series of tweets
67:02
recently you know I don't remember the
67:05
exact wording but essentially we're
67:06
saying free America now like let's think
67:09
that putting that is it thank you but
67:12
the you know what was how much do you
67:15
pay attention to the response to that
67:17
stuff and what was a response like did
67:19
did anybody mean what the **** you doing
67:21
did anybody pull yourself who does that
67:24
who gets to do that to you
67:27
well I mean I certainly get that there's
67:30
no shortage of negative feedback on
67:32
Twitter war zone you do sometimes though
67:39
right you do read it yeah I mean I
67:41
scroll through the comments like says
67:43
mean war zone yeah I mean people knife
67:46
you're good and it's something I enjoy
67:50
about that just there's a something
67:55
about the the freedom of expression that
68:00
comes from all these people that do
68:02
attack you it's like well they if there
68:04
was no vulnerability whatsoever they
68:07
wouldn't attack you and there it's like
68:09
there's something about these millions
68:13
and millions of perspectives they you
68:15
you have to you have to appreciate even
68:19
if it comes your way even if the *sugar*
68:21
storm hits you in the face sure you
68:23
gotta appreciate wow how amazing is it
68:26
that all these people do have the
68:27
ability to express themselves you
68:29
doesn't don't necessarily want to be
68:31
there when the *sugar* hits you sure you
68:33
might want to get out of the way in
68:34
anticipation of the shitstorm but the
68:35
fact that so many people have the
68:38
ability to reach out and I think it's in
68:39
a lot of ways it's a
68:42
I want to say a misused resource but
68:44
it's like giving monkeys guns did you
68:47
start they start gunning down things in
68:50
front of them without any realization of
68:52
what they're doing they have a rock they
68:55
see a window they throw it whoa look at
68:57
that I got you on mad look at that
69:00
this guy got mad at me this this I
69:01
****ing took this person down on Twitter
69:04
I got this lady fired oh the ****ing
69:07
business is going under because of
69:08
Twitter wars it seems like there's
69:11
something about it that's his new-found
69:14
thing that I want to say abuse but just
69:19
I want to say that it's almost like you
69:21
know you hit the button that things blow
69:22
up you're like wow this is what else can
69:25
we blow up sure I mean I've been in the
69:32
Twitter war zone for a while here so you
69:36
know I take it takes a lot to to faze me
69:38
at this point yeah that's meant to write
69:40
like you develop a thick skin
69:43
yeah you can't take it personally I have
69:45
a little too cool and I can actually
69:46
know you you know yeah it's just like
69:49
you know so it's like if you're if
69:51
you're fighting a war and there's like
69:54
some opposing soldier that that shoots a
69:56
shoots at you there's not like they hate
69:58
you they don't even know you right yeah
70:01
yeah so I'm just thinking like that like
70:03
that fire and bullets or whatever but
70:06
they don't know you so don't take it
70:07
personally there's something interesting
70:09
about it too it's like like when you
70:11
write something in you know 280
70:14
characters and they write something into
70:15
it it's such a crude way it's like you
70:18
know someone saying sending opposing
70:20
smoke signals there were a few your
70:22
smoke signals it's like it's so crude
70:24
and especially when you're talking about
70:27
something like neuro-link
70:28
he's talking about some future potential
70:31
where you're gonna be able to express
70:32
pure thoughts that get get conveyed
70:36
through some sort of a universal
70:37
language with no ambiguity whatsoever
70:41
versus you know tweets well there'll
70:45
always be someone big you 'ti but yeah
70:47
it tweets or it's hard like that maybe
70:52
there should be like your sarcasm flag
70:53
or something right right or
70:55
I'm not you know just kidding or
70:57
whatever you know looked at you know
70:58
that's like it would take away some of
71:01
the fun from people that know it sarcasm
71:03
like if everybody knew that the onion
71:05
wasn't review sent people articles yeah
71:07
it is something about someone getting
71:10
angry and an onion article wow that's
71:12
amazing
71:13
you know I mean where they don't realize
71:14
what it is there's something fun about
71:16
that for everybody else yeah I think
71:19
it's pretty great it might be the best
71:22
new source do you know who did Tonia
71:24
McGrath is hilarious it's a Andrew Boyle
71:28
he's a British fellow a brilliant guy
71:31
who's been on the podcast before and he
71:33
has this fictional character this
71:36
pseudonym - Tonia McGrath who's like
71:38
this alt the ultimate social justice
71:40
warrior it's just like a heaven a female
71:46
avatar that's actually a computer
71:47
conglomeration of a bunch of faces okay
71:50
it's not really one person so one person
71:52
can't be a victim and be angry you sort
71:54
of combine these faces to make this one
71:56
perfect social justice more okay but the
71:58
thing I recognized it early on before I
72:01
met him sure that this was parodied this
72:04
is this was just fun and then I love
72:08
reading the people that don't recognize
72:10
that they get angry sure and they're
72:13
really really like there's a lot of
72:15
people that just get really furious sure
72:18
about some of them
72:19
there's some fun to that there's some
72:21
fun to the not picking up on the the the
72:25
true nature of the signal I find Twitter
72:29
quite engaging how do you have the time
72:33
white I mean it's like five minutes
72:37
every couple of hours type of thing so
72:39
like I said on all day but even five
72:41
minutes every couple hours if those are
72:43
bad five minutes they might be bouncing
72:45
around in your head for the next 30 yeah
72:48
you have to you know like said take
72:52
certain amount of distance from you read
72:54
this and like okay it's bullets being
72:56
fired by an opposing army that you know
72:59
don't like it's not like they like they
73:02
know you it's like don't take it
73:04
personally did you feel the same way
73:06
when when CNN had that stupid *sugar* about
73:09
ventilators with you I found that both
73:12
confusing and that was annoying it was
73:16
annoying but it's also annoying as a
73:19
person who reads CNN and wants to think
73:23
of them as a responsible conveyor of the
73:25
facts I think that yeah I don't think
73:30
CNN is that I think you used to be used
73:33
to be yeah like what he thinks the the
73:36
best source of just like information out
73:38
there that's a good question you know
73:39
like a let's say you just like average
73:42
citizens trying to just get the facts
73:44
you know figure out what's going on like
73:46
you know how to live your life and you
73:50
know just looking for what's going on in
73:52
the world that it's hard to find
73:54
something that that isn't you know yeah
73:59
that's that that's good
74:00
yeah no but you know I'm not trying to
74:04
push some partisan angle not trying to
74:06
not sort of an Excel IV reporting and
74:09
and just aim it for the most number of
74:11
clicks and trying to maximize ad dollars
74:13
and that kind of thing yeah
74:15
you just trying to figure out what's
74:16
going on it's like I'm hard pressed to
74:19
where do you go I don't know I don't
74:22
think there's any pure form I'm my
74:24
favorite places are the New York Times
74:27
and the LA Times and I don't trust them
74:30
100%
74:31
you know because also there's
74:33
individuals that are writing these
74:35
stories exactly and that seems to be the
74:37
problems these individual biases and
74:39
these individual the there's purposely
74:43
distorted perceptions and then there's
74:45
ignorant Lee reported facts and there's
74:48
so many variables and you got to put
74:50
everything through this filter of
74:52
where's this person coming from do they
74:54
have political biases do they have
74:55
social biases do they are they are they
74:59
upset because of their own shortcomings
75:01
and they are they projecting this into
75:03
the story so it's so hard yeah I think
75:06
like maybe just trying to find
75:07
individual reporters that you think are
75:09
good and yeah kind of falling damn as
75:11
opposed to publication I go with
75:13
whatever Matt Taibbi says okay I trust
75:16
him more than anybody all right Matt
75:18
Taibbi is onto something I just he's as
75:20
far as investigative reporters in
75:22
particular
75:23
the way he reported the savings and loan
75:25
crisis the way he reports everything I
75:27
just I just listen to him
75:29
above most above moe he's my go-to guy
75:33
I'll check it out it's as Rolling Stones
75:35
articles or his his stuff on the savings
75:37
and loan crisis just like what in the
75:38
**** sure you know and he wasn't you
75:41
know he's not an economist by any
75:42
stretch of the imagination so he had a
75:43
really sort of deeply embedded in that
75:46
world to try to understand it and to be
75:48
able to report on it and was also with a
75:51
humorous flair from now that's nice yeah
75:55
yeah there's not that many of them
75:59
there's hard and not a location we're
76:03
like we are no bullshit sorry you know
76:05
we are no bullshit calm like the one
76:07
place where you can say this is what we
76:09
know this is what we don't know this is
76:11
what we think not this person's wrong
76:14
and here's why like oh god damn it
76:17
you know I can't you you don't know
76:19
there's a lot of stuff that is open to
76:22
interpretation yeah this this particular
76:25
coronavirus issue that we're dealing
76:26
with right now seems to be a great
76:29
illuminator of that very fact is that
76:33
there's so much data and there's this
76:36
there's so much as open to interpret
76:38
there's so many thing because it's all
76:39
happening in real time right and like
76:42
particularly right now in California
76:43
we're in stage two tomorrow or Friday
76:46
two days from now stage two retail
76:48
stores opening up things are changing
76:50
like what no one knows the correct
76:53
process that needs to take place to save
76:56
the most amount of lives but yet ensure
76:58
that our our culture and that our our
77:03
economy survives it's a lot of
77:05
speculation and guessing but if you go
77:08
to certain places they'll tell you we
77:10
know why and we know this and we know
77:13
it's hard yeah I mean in general I think
77:19
that's like we should be concerned about
77:22
anything that's a massive infringement
77:24
on our civil liberties yes you know so
77:27
it's like you got to put a lot of weight
77:29
on that yeah people a lot of people died
77:32
too you know when independence with the
77:35
country and fight for
77:37
the democracy that we have and you know
77:40
we should treasure that and not and not
77:43
give up our liberties too easily I think
77:44
we think we probably did that actually
77:47
well I'd like what you said when you
77:49
said that it should be a choice and that
77:53
to require people to stay home require
77:57
people to not go to work required and to
78:00
to arrest people for trying to make a
78:03
living this all seems wrong and I think
78:05
it's a wrong approach it's a it's a
78:07
you're you're it's an infantile ization
78:10
of the society daddy's gonna tell you
78:14
what to do fundamentally a violation of
78:16
the Constitution yeah freedom of
78:18
assembly and you know it's just I mean I
78:21
don't think these things stand up in
78:23
court really they're arresting people
78:25
for protesting yeah yeah because they're
78:27
protesting and violating social
78:29
distancing and these mandates that tell
78:31
people that they have to stay home yeah
78:33
this these were these were definitely
78:35
not stand-up you know if the Supreme
78:38
Court here I mean it's obviously a
78:40
complete violation right yeah yeah and
78:42
again this is not in any way
78:45
disrespecting the people who have died
78:47
from this disease it's certainly a real
78:49
thing to think of yeah I mean it's it
78:52
just should be if you're if you're at
78:54
risk you should not be compelled to
78:56
leave your house right or leave a place
78:58
of safety but you should also not be if
79:01
you're not at risk or if you are at risk
79:03
and you wish to take a risk with your
79:05
life you should have the right to do
79:07
that and it seems like at this point in
79:09
time particularly our resources we best
79:12
served protecting the people that are at
79:15
risk versus penalizing the people that
79:18
are not at high risk for living their
79:20
life the way they did particularly
79:21
having a career and and making a living
79:24
and feeding your family paying your
79:26
bills keeping your store open keeping
79:28
your restaurant open yes I mean there's
79:32
there's a strong strong downside to this
79:34
yeah so yeah I'm just believe like if
79:39
this is a free country you should be you
79:41
know a lot allowed to do you know what
79:44
you want so long as it does not endanger
79:45
others but that's the thing right people
79:48
this is the argument they will bring up
79:49
like you are in the
79:51
during others you should stay home for
79:53
the people that that you even if you're
79:56
fine even if you know you're gonna be
79:57
okay
79:58
there's certain people that will not be
79:59
okay because of your actions
80:01
they might get exposed to this thing
80:03
that we don't have a vaccine for we
80:05
don't have universally accepted
80:07
treatment for and then we need to
80:10
there's two arguments right the one
80:12
argument is we need to keep going
80:14
protect the weak protect the sick but
80:16
let's open up the economy the other
80:18
argument is stop placing money over
80:21
human lives and let's shelter in place
80:24
until we come up with some sort of a
80:26
decision and let's figure out some way
80:29
to develop some sort of a universal
80:30
income Universal basic income plan or
80:33
something like that to feed people
80:35
during the during this time oh yes
80:38
transition I think yeah yeah as I said
80:43
right there my pay is if somebody wants
80:47
to stay home they should stay home
80:49
I've said something doesn't want stay
80:50
home they should not be compelled to
80:51
stay home that's my opinion do you think
80:54
if somebody doesn't like that well
80:56
that's my opinion
80:57
so the now yeah the this notion though
81:02
that you you know you can just sort of
81:04
send checks out everybody and and things
81:06
will be fine it's not true obviously the
81:09
there's some people have this absurd
81:11
like view that the economy is like some
81:16
magic horn of plenty like it just makes
81:20
stuff stuff you know what it just
81:22
there's a magic word aplenty and the
81:24
goods and services they just come from
81:26
this magic corn appointee and then if
81:28
like if somebody has more stuff than
81:31
somebody else's because they took more
81:32
from this magic horn of plenty now let
81:34
me just break it to you the fools out
81:37
there if you don't make stuff
81:40
there's no stuff yeah so if you don't
81:47
make the food
81:49
if you don't process the food you know
81:50
transport the food and the weather you
81:55
know medical treatment you're getting
81:58
getting teeth fixed
82:01
there's no stuff
82:03
I become detached from reality the you
82:09
can't just legislate money and sit and
82:12
solve these things if you don't make
82:14
stuff there is no stuff obviously we'll
82:20
run out of the stores run out of the you
82:23
know it's like hold the machine just
82:27
grinds to a halt but the initial thought
82:30
on this virus the real fear was that
82:33
this was going to kill hundreds of
82:35
thousands if not millions of people
82:37
instantaneously in this country it was
82:40
going to do it very quickly if we didn't
82:42
hunker down if we didn't shelter in
82:44
place if we didn't quarantine ourselves
82:46
or lock down do you think that the
82:49
initial thought was a good idea based on
82:51
the perception that this was going to be
82:54
far more deadly than it turned out to be
82:59
maybe I think briefly briefly briefly
83:04
but I think if you know any kind of like
83:08
sensible examination of what happened in
83:09
China would lead to a conclusion that
83:11
that is obviously not going to occur
83:12
this this virus originated in Wuhan
83:15
there's like a hundred thousand people a
83:17
day leaving one so it that it it went
83:22
everywhere very fast it threw it
83:25
throughout China throughout the rest of
83:26
the world and the fatality rate was was
83:33
low don't you think though it's
83:34
difficult to appreciate it's it's it's
83:37
difficult to the filter what the
83:39
information that's coming out of China
83:41
to accurately really get a real true
83:45
representation of what happened they the
83:48
propaganda machine is very strong sure
83:50
what the World Health Organization
83:52
appears to have been complicit with a
83:55
lot of their propaganda the things that
83:58
American companies have massive supply
84:02
chains in China like contour Tesla for
84:04
example we have hundreds of suppliers
84:05
like Tier one two three four suppliers
84:08
throughout throughout China so we know
84:11
if they are able to make stuff or not we
84:14
know if they if they have issues or not
84:16
then they they're China is back back at
84:18
full steam and and tells many pretty
84:25
much every US company has some
84:27
significant numbers fires in Chinese you
84:29
know you know if they're able to you
84:31
know provide things or not or if there's
84:35
you know high mortality rate Maya Tesla
84:40
has 7,000 people in China so zero people
84:44
died hmm okay so that that's a real
84:49
statistic that's coming from yeah yeah
84:52
you know those people yeah we literally
84:54
run payroll do you think there's a
84:56
danger of this folks are there Blair do
85:01
you think there's a danger of
85:02
politicizing this whereas becomes like
85:04
opening up the country's Donald Trump's
85:06
it's his goal
85:08
it's his in and then anything he does is
85:11
sort of there's there's people that are
85:13
gonna oppose it and come up with some
85:15
reasons why he's wrong particularly in
85:17
this climate was as we're leading up to
85:18
November and you know the the 2020
85:22
elections do you think that this is a
85:24
real danger in terms of public's
85:26
perception that Trump wants to open it
85:28
up so the knee-jerk oppose it because
85:31
they oppose Trump I think there has been
85:35
some flood is it this has been
85:38
politicized you know in both directions
85:42
really
85:43
so it's which which is not great yeah
85:53
but like I said separate apart and I
85:55
think is the question of like you know
85:57
way to civil civil liberties fit in this
85:58
picture you know yeah and what what can
86:02
the government make you do what can they
86:04
make you not do and what you know what's
86:06
what's okay right and yeah I think we
86:13
went too far do you think it's one of
86:16
those things where once we've gone in a
86:19
certain direction it's very difficult to
86:21
make a correction make an adjustment to
86:24
realize like okay we thought it was one
86:27
thing it's not it's not good but it's
86:29
not
86:29
we thought it was going to be it's not
86:31
what we feared so let's let's back up
86:33
and reconsider and let's do this
86:35
publicly and say we were acting based on
86:39
the information that we had initially
86:40
that information appears to be faulty
86:42
and here's how we move forward while
86:46
protecting civil liberties while
86:48
protecting what essentially this country
86:51
is founded on which is a very agreed
86:54
upon amount of freedom yeah that we
86:56
respect and appreciate absolutely well I
86:59
think we're rapidly moving towards
87:01
opening up the country it's gonna happen
87:03
extremely fast over the next few weeks
87:07
so yeah so something that would be
87:13
helpful just add from an informational
87:15
level is when reporting sort of covert
87:21
cases to separate out diagnose with
87:24
covert vs. had covert like symptoms yes
87:28
because I've the list of symptoms that
87:31
could be covered at this point is like a
87:33
mile long so it's like a hard to sure
87:36
ill at all it's like he could be covered
87:38
so just just to give you a better
87:40
information
87:41
definitely diagnosed with covered or had
87:45
covered like symptoms
87:45
we're conflating those two so that one
87:48
that it looks bigger than it is then if
87:51
somebody dies is was covered a a primary
87:55
cause of the death or not I mean I mean
88:00
if somebody has cover gets eaten by a
88:01
shark we find their arm their arm has
88:04
covered it's gonna get recorded as a
88:08
covert death is that real not basically
88:12
not that bad but heart attacks strokes
88:14
get hit by a bus cancer if you get hit
88:17
by a bus could go to the kick of the
88:20
hospital and die and they find that you
88:22
have covered you won't be recorded as a
88:24
Cova death why would they do that though
88:26
well right now the so you know say the
88:30
road is hell is the road to hell is
88:32
paved with good intentions I mean it's
88:33
mostly paved with bad intentions but
88:34
there is you know some good intention of
88:36
saving stones in there too and the the
88:40
the stimulus bill that was intended to
88:42
help
88:44
with the hospitals that were being
88:46
overrun with with code patients created
88:48
an incentive to record something as
88:52
covert that is difficult to say no to
88:57
especially if your hospital is going
88:58
bankrupt for lack of other patients
89:00
so the hospitals are in a bind right now
89:03
there's a bunch of hospitals over there
89:05
following doctors as you were mentioning
89:06
their you know their hospitals half full
89:09
you're it's hard hard to make ends meet
89:11
so now you've got like you know I just
89:15
checked this box I get eight thousand
89:16
dollars and put on a ventilator for five
89:18
minutes to get thirty nine thousand
89:19
dollars back or or I got a fire some
89:23
doctors so what's the what's in it now
89:25
this is a tough moral quandary like what
89:28
what you can do that's the situation we
89:33
have know what what's the way out of
89:37
this what do you think is like if if you
89:40
have the president's ear or if people
89:41
wanted to just listen to you openly what
89:44
do you think is the way out of this so
89:46
let's just clear up the data clear up
89:48
the data so like that I just make sure
89:51
we recorded as Co but only if it is
89:52
somebody has been tested has received a
89:56
positive positive Cova test thought if
89:58
they simply have symptoms one of like a
90:00
hundred symptoms and then if if it is a
90:03
covert death it must be separate or was
90:06
this was covered a primary primary
90:07
reason for death or did they also have
90:09
stage three cancer or heart disease
90:10
emphysema and got hit by bus and had
90:14
covered you have read all this stuff
90:17
about that about them diagnosing people
90:21
as a Cova death despite other variables
90:24
this is not this is not a this is not a
90:27
question this is what is occurring and
90:30
where are you reading this from where
90:32
are you getting this from the public
90:34
health health officials have literally
90:36
said this is not this is not a question
90:38
mark right but this is never this is
90:41
unprecedented right like if someone had
90:43
the flu but also had a heart attack they
90:45
would assume that that person died of a
90:46
heart attack yes
90:47
yeah so this is unprecedented is this
90:50
because this is such a popular I don't
90:54
use that word the wrong way but that's
90:56
what I mean pop
90:56
subject and financial incentives yes and
91:03
like I said this is not some sort of a
91:05
moral indictment of sort of hospital
91:07
administrators it's just they're in it
91:10
they're they're in in a tough in a tough
91:13
spot here they actually don't have
91:16
enough patience to pay everyone if it
91:19
took without foolin a furloughing
91:21
doctors and and firing staff and yeah
91:24
this is a running potentially going
91:25
bankrupt so so then they're like okay
91:28
well the similar spill says if you know
91:31
we get all this you know money if we say
91:34
if if they if it's a Cova death I'm like
91:37
ok they coughed before they died they in
91:41
fact they're not even diagnosis code but
91:43
they simply if you had weakness a cough
91:46
shortness of breath but frankly I'm not
91:48
sure how you died without those things
91:50
yeah you yeah but there's so many
91:54
different things that you could
91:56
attribute to Cova - there's so many
91:58
symptoms there's diarrhea headaches
92:01
dehydration yeah off yes
92:03
but to be clear you you you don't even
92:05
need to have gotten a covert a crisis
92:08
you simply need to have had one of yeah
92:12
many symptoms and then have died for
92:14
some reason and it's covered so so then
92:20
it makes the death count look very high
92:21
and then we're then stuck in a bind
92:24
because it looks like the death count
92:25
super high and not going down like it
92:27
should be and now so then we should keep
92:31
whatever you know keep you know the
92:37
shelter in place stuff there and and
92:40
keep people in their home
92:41
you know confine people the homes so we
92:43
need to break out of this this we're
92:45
stuck in a loop yeah and I think the way
92:48
to break out of this loop is to have
92:49
clarity of information clarity of
92:52
information will certainly help but
92:54
altering perceptions public perception
92:57
from people that are basically in a
92:59
panic there's a lot of essentially well
93:01
at least a month ago we're clearly in a
93:05
panic I mean right weird yet you know
93:06
when you look around April 5th April 6th
93:10
people were really freaking out but here
93:12
we are May and many people are relaxing
93:15
a little bit
93:16
yes they're realizing okay um I actually
93:19
know a couple of people that got it it
93:21
was just a cough and I know some people
93:22
that got it the word nothing happened I
93:24
know a lot of people who got it I know
93:29
zero people who died and died I mean it
93:31
bad no yeah a lot of people who got it
93:33
yeah it's it's not what we feared we
93:37
feared something much worse that's
93:38
correct
93:39
so the adjustments difficult to make so
93:40
you said first of all we need real data
93:43
you need it just parse out the data
93:45
don't don't lump it all together no and
93:47
then you know if you give if you get
93:49
people just parse out the data better
93:52
clearer clearer information about like
93:58
said was this an actual curve a
94:00
diagnosis or is it a did they get the
94:02
test and the key test came back positiv
94:04
or do they just have some symptoms just
94:05
parse that those two out and then parse
94:09
out just if somebody died did they die
94:11
did they but that they even have a Cova
94:14
test or did they just have one of many
94:17
symptoms like like like how do you die
94:19
without weakness I don't know it's
94:21
impossible basically yeah good point
94:23
you're gonna die you're gonna have
94:24
shortness of breath weakness and you
94:27
might kaufe little so so was it
94:30
quantified what was it yeah did that
94:31
person that do they actually have a Cova
94:32
test and and the tests come back
94:34
positive and then if they died did they
94:37
die where we're covered was it isn't had
94:41
to be the the main course but it was a
94:42
significant contributor to their death
94:45
or was it not a significant contributor
94:47
to the death right it's not as simple as
94:51
just because you had Kovac Kovac killed
94:54
you this is definitely not right yeah
94:57
yeah I mean people die all the time they
94:59
have like flu and yes other colds and we
95:02
don't say that they died if those flu
95:03
and other colds well that's what's so
95:05
weird I'm sorry it's so popular and I
95:08
use that word in a weird way but it's so
95:10
popular that we've kind of forgotten
95:12
people died in ammonia everyday yeah
95:15
people died of the flu didn't take a
95:17
break Oh kovetz got this I'm gonna sit
95:20
this one out I'm gonna be on the bench
95:21
I'm gonna wait until kovetz done
95:24
before I jump back into the game of
95:25
killing people no the flus still here
95:28
killing people I mean every year in the
95:30
world several hundred thousand people
95:31
die directly of the flu yeah not not ten
95:35
gently right no every sixty one thousand
95:38
in this country last year
95:40
yeah and we're early five percent of the
95:41
world and then their cigarettes so oh
95:44
man cigarettes not cigarettes will
95:45
really kill you that's a weird one right
95:47
we're terrified of this disease that
95:50
were projected it could potentially kill
95:52
one hundred if not two hundred thousand
95:54
Americans is here with cigarettes kill
95:56
five hundred thousand and you don't hear
95:58
a peep out of any politician there's no
96:02
one running for Congress is trying to
96:03
ban cigarettes there's no one running
96:05
for Senate that wants to put some
96:07
education plan in place it's gonna stop
96:09
cigarettes in their tracks yeah I mean a
96:12
long time like several years ago I mean
96:15
is longer than ten years ago I helped
96:17
make a movie called thank you for
96:18
smoking oh yeah it yeah yeah
96:31
it's crazy so we smokey barbecuing
96:35
ilanics is bad just bad news doesn't
96:37
it's not not good
96:38
yeah you turning your lungs in smoke
96:40
smoked beef and not great so yeah but
96:46
it's a Tylenol surfing by the way he
96:47
also kills a lot of people yeah what is
96:49
the number of attack over here I'm sure
96:52
the exact number but I believe it until
96:55
the opioid crisis I believe Tylenol was
96:57
the number one killer of all drugs
96:59
because how basically it's if you have
97:03
if you get drunk and take a lot of
97:05
Tylenol acetaminophen essentially it
97:08
causes liver failure so severe would
97:12
like get get wasted and then like have a
97:15
headache and then pop it's curtains Wow
97:18
yeah curtains yeah you know so but
97:22
nobody's like you know raging against
97:25
tylenol yeah it's weird except
97:28
acceptable deaths are weird and that's
97:30
the real the slippery slope about this
97:32
people shaming people for wanting to go
97:35
back to work you know other people are
97:36
gonna die well if you
97:38
arrive do you drive we should stop
97:40
driving because people die from driving
97:42
so he's you know he definitely should
97:45
fill up all the swimming pools because
97:47
like 50 people die every day in this
97:49
country from swimming so let's not swim
97:51
anymore
97:52
what is the we need to chop down all the
97:55
coconut water coconut skill 150 people
97:58
every year yes cut down the coconut
98:00
trees we need those people yes it's at a
98:03
certain point in time it's like yeah
98:06
we're vulnerable and we're also we're
98:09
also we have a finite existence no
98:11
matter what we do nobody lives forever
98:13
right I mean the the the I mean I think
98:17
you want to look at say deaths as like
98:19
the but for this disease whatever they
98:23
would have lived X number of years yeah
98:25
you know so you know if somebody dies
98:28
when they're there they're 20 and could
98:30
live till 80 they lost 60 years but if
98:33
somebody dies when they're 80 and they
98:34
might live till 81 they lost one year
98:36
yes so it's it's like how many life
98:39
years were lost is a probably the right
98:43
metric to use I don't read my own
98:46
comments but I do read other people's
98:47
comments and I was reading this one
98:48
little Twitter beef that was going on
98:49
where someone was saying that Co vid
98:52
takes an average of ten years off
98:55
people's lives and we should appreciate
98:57
those 10 years and then someone else
98:59
said not sure I'm sure it's not true
99:01
yeah definite Witter God but someone
99:04
else said the average age of people who
99:07
died from Co vid is older than the
99:09
average age people died it's very
99:12
straight to say it's like it's a it's
99:15
about the same that's a beautiful way of
99:18
looking at it I mean it's it's
99:19
unfortunate it sucks but it sucks if
99:22
grandpa dies of Alzheimer's or emphysema
99:25
or leukemia it sucks
99:27
sure it sucks when someone you love dies
99:29
yes but I'm I mean actually if this I
99:35
think a lesson to be taken here that I
99:38
think is quite important is that if if
99:42
you have you know great great
99:43
grandparents and that their aging
99:45
grandparents really be careful
99:47
with with with
99:50
you know any kind of flu or cold or
99:52
something that that what is not
99:55
dangerous to kids or young adults but it
99:58
is dangerous to to help the elderly is
100:00
it basically if your kids got a runny
100:03
nose they should stay away from their
100:05
grandparents no matter what it is it's
100:09
it's the things that are where a young
100:12
immune system is has no problem and an
100:14
older one has as a problem and in fact a
100:18
lot of the lot of the deaths are just
100:20
are literally it's tragic but they're
100:21
there intra-family it's the the little
100:26
little chaotic you had a you know cold
100:30
or flu and you have grand aha
100:32
yeah yeah there's a family gathering and
100:33
they don't know that this is a big deal
100:36
but it's it's just important to remember
100:38
when you get old your your immune system
100:40
is just not that strong and and so just
100:43
be be careful with your with it with
100:45
your you know loved ones over elderly
100:47
and I think there is some true objective
100:52
understanding of the immune system and
100:55
the ways to boost that immune system and
100:57
I really think that that that
101:00
information should be that should be
101:03
distributed in a way a non-judgmental
101:05
way but like look this is this is a way
101:07
that we can all like this is a
101:09
scientifically proven way that we can
101:11
boost our immune system and it might
101:12
save your life and it might save the
101:14
life of your loved ones and maybe we
101:15
could teach this to our grandparents and
101:18
our parents and and people that are
101:19
vulnerable
101:20
you know vitamin C heat shock proteins
101:23
all these different variables that we
101:25
know contribute to a stronger immune
101:27
system yeah
101:30
actually just the thing that that is
101:35
stuff if you like when you as you get
101:40
older it's it's hard to be yeah you put
101:43
ten to put on weight you know I
101:45
certainly that's happening with me you
101:46
know like as the older I get like that
101:48
harder to stay lean that's for sure and
101:52
and so actually being being overweight
101:55
is is a big deal you know just a it's a
101:57
fact yeah the New York hospital said it
102:01
was the number one factor for severe
102:04
the co vid symptoms was obesity factor
102:08
is that if that's yes exactly but it's
102:12
also we live in a world where people
102:14
want to be sensitive to other people's
102:17
feelings so yeah absolutely don't want
102:19
to bring up the fact that being fat is
102:23
bad for you it's a judgment on your
102:25
foods great yeah I do love food yeah and
102:28
I mean I mean to be totally Frank I mean
102:30
speak for myself I'd I'd rather eat
102:33
tasty food and live a shorter life yeah
102:37
those moments of enjoying a great meal
102:40
yeah and then even talking about they're
102:42
valuable they're worth something
102:44
yeah it's not we don't want to eat
102:45
Soylent Green and live to be 116 it
102:53
really is yeah it's an art form as well
102:55
it's like yeah fine food is it's it's a
102:59
it's a delicious sandcastle
103:03
it's temporary it doesn't last very long
103:05
but there's something about it that's
103:06
very pleasing yeah yeah yeah I mean I
103:12
don't know what advice to give like
103:15
maybe smaller have tasty food with
103:17
smaller amounts of it yeah and I think
103:22
regulated feeding windows really the way
103:24
to go some sort of an intermittent
103:25
fasting approach sure when I started
103:28
doing that I I found myself to be quite
103:31
a bit healthier when I've deviated from
103:33
that of gained weight today what's what
103:35
16 hours 16 hours yeah so like at night
103:39
or yeah yeah so I get to a certain point
103:42
and then I count out I usually hit the
103:45
stopwatch on my phone and then I look at
103:48
15 hours okay got an hour before I can
103:51
eat yeah and so anything in between that
103:54
is just water or coffee actually you
103:56
know I like this may be a useful bit of
103:59
advice for for people but eating before
104:02
you go to bed is a real bad idea and
104:04
actually negatively affects your sleep
104:06
yeah and it can actually cause it
104:08
heartburn that you don't even notice
104:10
happening and and that subtle heartburn
104:13
affects your sleep because you're
104:15
horizontal and your yeah body's
104:17
digesting
104:19
so if you want to improve the quality of
104:20
your sleep and you know you know be be
104:25
healthier it's it's do not eat right
104:28
before we're gonna sleep yeah it's like
104:30
one of the worst things you could do I
104:31
did some of the biggest mistakes I've
104:32
ever made
104:33
I've done that particularly after comedy
104:35
shows I'm starving
104:36
come home and I'll eat and then I go to
104:38
bed and I just feel like *sugar* I wake up
104:41
in the middle of the night it's gonna
104:43
crush your sleep
104:44
it's gonna damage your pilot you know
104:46
pyloric sphincter and you're in your
104:48
esophagus and it's it's so in fact
104:50
drinking and then going to sleep is he
104:53
is that's one of the worst things you
104:54
could yes so just try to avoid drinking
105:00
and and eating booze yeah exactly
105:03
don't you know small amounts alcohol
105:08
that evidence suggests it's not it
105:11
doesn't have a negative effect I put in
105:15
the same categories delicious food it
105:17
kind of makes things a little more fun
105:18
yeah yeah I like it I mean some of the
105:21
people some of the people have lived the
105:22
longest you know was a woman in France
105:25
who I think maybe has the record were
105:27
close to it and she had a glass of wine
105:29
every day every day you know yeah small
105:31
small amounts of this place fine but
105:35
yeah this is like a I alert this like
105:38
quite late in life it's like just avoid
105:40
having alcohol and avoid eating at least
105:43
two or three hours before going to sleep
105:45
and your quality of life well your
105:47
quality of sleep will improve your
105:49
general health will improve a lot this
105:51
isn't it's a big deal and I think no
105:53
only no way lean on do you have time to
105:55
exercise a little bit
106:00
do it train or anything I do although I
106:03
haven't seen her for a while but yeah
106:08
especially if I'm out like you know say
106:12
working on starship for something stuff
106:14
excess and I'm just living my life I got
106:17
a little little house there in Boca
106:19
Chica village you know don't have much
106:22
to do so but we're like I'm working and
106:25
I was just lifts and wages and yeah
106:28
maybe yeah I like I don't tell you
106:32
love running I don't love running but
106:35
what do you like to do exercise wise
106:38
sweet totally Frank
106:40
I wouldn't exercise at all if I could
106:42
but if I I prefer not to exercise but
106:45
I'm going to exercise and you know lift
106:47
lift some weights and and then kind of
106:51
run on the treadmill and maybe watch a
106:54
show that you know if there's a
106:55
compelling show that like pulls you in
106:57
right right yeah that's a good thing to
106:59
do
106:59
yeah watch a good movie or yeah yeah
107:02
episode of black mare so I'm like that's
107:03
great man they don't watch black mare
107:05
before go to bed either don't watch
107:07
black mirror today
107:08
it's too ****ing accurate yeah exactly
107:10
it's like wait this already happened in
107:12
real life
107:12
yeah they're too close it's too close
107:16
well even didn't Jamie didn't you say
107:17
that the guy who makes black mare it's
107:23
not a good time to start season six yeah
107:25
he wants to hold off because his male
107:28
that is black mirror oh man it's like
107:30
he's gonna have to like re reassess and
107:33
and attack it from a different angle
107:35
yeah you should try something that's fun
107:38
to do that's not just like like learn a
107:41
martial artists ins like that I did
107:43
watch last one is kid play
107:46
I did Taekwondo I did karate character
107:51
Shanghai cool and judo I'll see you
107:57
really branched out yeah so entered
108:05
Brazilian jiu-jitsu briefly did you
108:07
where I'm oh no *sugar* I was gonna suggest
108:12
that that's a great thing for people
108:14
like that's a thing about jiu-jitsu if
108:17
you look at it from the outside you
108:19
think oh bunch of meatheads strangle
108:21
each other sir but there's some of the
108:22
smartest people I know or Jiu Jitsu
108:24
fiends because they they get they first
108:28
of all they get introduced to it because
108:29
usually either they want exercise or
108:32
learn some self-defense but then they
108:33
realize that it's essentially like a
108:35
language with your body like you're
108:38
having an argument with someone with
108:40
some sort of a physical language and
108:42
it's really complex and the more
108:45
access to vocabulary and the sharper
108:48
your words are sure the the more you'll
108:51
succeed in these ventures it's really
108:53
also an accurate analogy of what you
108:56
Jitsu is yeah I mean I kind of I mean
108:58
part of like a lot of people for the the
109:01
way early they imp the first MMA fights
109:04
and hoist Gracie mmm-hmm and it was like
109:06
incredible and I was like it's like you
109:08
know week yeah yeah it was like you know
109:11
winning is people way bigger and like a
109:13
thing you know this is cool it was what
109:15
martial arts were supposed to be more as
109:17
we were kids yeah when you saw Bruce Lee
109:19
**** up all these big giant guys like
109:21
wow martial arts allow you to beat
109:24
someone far bigger and stronger than you
109:26
most of the time that's not real
109:29
especially if they know mantra yeah yes
109:33
but in the UFC
109:35
when hoist Gracie off of his back was
109:38
strangling Dan Severn with his legs yeah
109:40
holy *sugar* yeah this guy's being pinned
109:43
by this big giant wrestler and he wraps
109:45
his legs around his neck chokes him to
109:48
the point the guy has to surrender yeah
109:49
amazing yeah it was amazing
109:51
I mean horse got beaten up pretty bad in
109:54
some of those well you definitely had
109:56
some rough fights but he won he won yeah
109:58
he's a legend and but what it showed in
110:02
I mean I'm a huge lover of jiu-jitsu
110:04
what it showed is that there is a method
110:06
for for defusing these situations with
110:11
technique and and knowledge yeah and I
110:14
think it's also a great way to exercise
110:15
too because it's almost like the
110:17
exercise is secondary to the learning of
110:20
the thing though the exercise is like
110:22
you want like and you want to develop
110:24
strength and conditioning just so that
110:25
you could be better at doing the thing
110:27
and the analogy that I use is like if
110:28
you imagine if you had a racecar and you
110:32
could actually give the racecar better
110:34
handling and more horsepower just from
110:36
your own focus and effort sure that's
110:38
really what it's like yeah totally yeah
110:41
when am I gonna make my kids I should
110:44
say I sent my kids to jiu-jitsu since
110:48
they were like I don't know six oh
110:49
really yeah oh that's awesome
110:51
oh yeah it's it's a great thing to learn
110:54
it really is like a good yes yeah maybe
110:57
something like I mean even if you just
110:59
have
110:59
it's holds the pads for you you get a
111:02
workout in and to be fun when am I gonna
111:06
be able to buy one of them roadsters
111:07
when's that happening
111:08
well I can't you know say exactly when
111:13
but we got to get it you know this is
111:19
Kobo things kind of thrown us for a loop
111:21
I'm sure so not to blame everything in a
111:26
coma but it's you know it was certainly
111:31
set us back on on progress or you know
111:33
some number of months the I mean things
111:37
we got to get get done ahead of Road sir
111:40
are you know ramping up model wide
111:43
production that'll be a great great car
111:47
it is a great car getting the Berlin
111:51
Giga factory bolts and and also building
111:56
why getting expanding the Shanghai
111:58
Factory which is going great and get the
112:04
other the cyber trucks semi-truck
112:06
roadster roasters kind of like desert so
112:11
like we got to get the you know wheat
112:15
and potatoes and greens and stuff you
112:17
know like but roaster comes before a
112:19
cyber truck I mean I think we should do
112:26
cyber truck first before before before
112:29
I'm mad at that some other things for us
112:32
for their their you know the tri-motor a
112:35
plaid powertrain we're gonna have that
112:38
in Model S so that's like one of the
112:41
ingredients that's needed for Road store
112:44
is the plaid powertrain the more
112:46
advanced bet you know factory back that
112:48
kind of thing I want to ask you about
112:49
this before I forgot well there's a
112:50
company that's called apex is taking
112:52
your Tesla's and they're giving it a
112:55
wider base and wider tires and a little
112:59
bit more advanced suspension sure how do
113:01
you feel about that yes I'm sure you do
113:04
with those people yeah
113:06
I'm will forget that go ahead they're
113:08
jazz and stuff up with carbon fiber and
113:11
doing a bunch of interior choices
113:13
you're cool with you can't **** with
113:15
that you don't have time so is it good
113:17
that someone comes along and has that
113:18
sort of specialty operation yeah I got
113:20
no problem that's what's called right
113:21
it's like Jamie is it called apex yeah I
113:24
got a unplugged performance s apex
113:26
that's right unplugged performance yeah
113:28
yeah you could for sure you know lighten
113:32
the car up and improve - tire traction
113:35
and have you seen that company stuff
113:37
what'd they do
113:37
I don't know if specifically but it's
113:39
pretty dope yeah they make a pretty dope
113:41
looking they take Model S and they they
113:43
widen it and give it a bunch of carbon
113:45
fibre right that's it right there looks
113:48
pretty nice yeah it does
113:50
now the the plaid version of the Model S
113:54
you are you going to widen the track and
113:56
doing a bunch do a bunch of different I
113:58
know you guys are testing at the
113:59
Nurburgring cannot talk about that well
114:02
I think we got to leave that for okay
114:03
you know proper us that our product
114:05
unveil I understand yeah I understand
114:08
last time you were here you convinced me
114:10
to buy a Tesla I bought it and it's
114:12
****ing insane
114:13
all right glad you like it very fun I
114:15
don't it's not just pretty fun it's like
114:17
I the way I've described it as it makes
114:19
other cars seem stupid they just seemed
114:22
dumb like I love dumb things I love dumb
114:24
cars like I love campfires yeah I love
114:27
campfires
114:27
I have a 1993 Porsche that's air-cooled
114:31
sure it's like it's not that fast it's
114:34
really slow compared to Tesla yeah it's
114:36
really quite slow of it yeah but there's
114:38
something engaging about the mechanical
114:41
just like the the gears are very it's
114:45
very analog but it's so stupid
114:47
in comparison to the Tesla like when I
114:49
want to go somewhere and the model last
114:51
I hit the gas and just goes wee it just
114:54
it like violates time yeah yeah yeah
114:59
you've tried it like ludicrous plus and
115:01
yeah wait we did just a software update
115:05
where it'll do it like a cheetah stance
115:07
so yeah so it's it because it's got a
115:10
dynamic air suspension so it lowers the
115:13
back oh Jesus yeah just like a like a
115:15
sprinter basic right like what do you do
115:17
if your sprinter you hunker down and
115:19
then so I shaved like a tenth of a
115:22
second or third Stacey I mean like you
115:24
know
115:25
it's pretty fun it's so far I've taken
115:27
so many people and I'm like take them
115:30
for the holy *sugar* moment I'm like you
115:31
ready like hang on there and then I
115:33
stomp on the gas I've never felt
115:34
anything like it
115:35
it's confusing yeah it really is the
115:39
instant torque the instant torque and
115:41
just the sheer acceleration is baffling
115:44
it's baffling its baffled I've never
115:45
felt it
115:46
no it's faster than falling it's crazy
115:48
it's so fast it's a roller coaster yeah
115:51
and my family yells at me when I stomp
115:53
the gas like I tell my kids I'm like you
115:55
want to feel it you want to feel it like
115:56
do it do it do it
115:57
my wives like don't do it yeah and even
116:02
if I just do it on the highway for a
116:03
couple of seconds I think
116:04
yeah it's like having our own roller
116:06
coaster on tap you know it really is
116:08
like a roller coaster on top yeah
116:09
without the loop-de-loops but it's the
116:11
the painting to your seat it seems like
116:13
you're not supposed to be able to
116:15
experience that from some sort of a can
116:17
you know consumer vehicle that you can
116:19
just a regular person could buy if you
116:21
have the money it seems to too crazy and
116:25
then the idea this roadster is a half of
116:28
a second faster than that yeah that's
116:31
madness well that rotes with the
116:34
Roadster we're gonna do some things that
116:35
are kind of unfair so we're gonna take
116:38
some things from like you know from kind
116:41
of like rocket rocket world and put them
116:43
on a car so oh I've read about that
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explain that like what do you do well
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like said who can't talk now Vail right
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here but but it's gonna do some things
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that aren't fair and when we do the
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unveil the Roadster let me just say that
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anyone who's been waiting they won't be
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sorry
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it's they won't be sorry oh well
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anything goes zero to sixty is it one
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point nine is that the 60 but that's the
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base model that's what's the top of the
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food chain model faster than that yeah
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that seems so crazy to me now what was
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it like when the dude threw the steel
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balls at the window and they were
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supposed to not break and it broke well
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yeah I mean oh are you know you know
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that our demos are authentic
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so that was not expecting that a night
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and then I think I muttered under my
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breath you didn't get mad though know
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what you didn't Steve Jobs it no III
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definitely swore but you know I didn't
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think the Micra pick it up but it did
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and but it's so like we practiced this
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you know buying the scenes yeah it Tesla
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we don't do we don't do like tons of
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practice for for our demos because we
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work we're working on the car it's like
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we you know we're building new
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technologies and and and improving the
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the fundamental product so we were not
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spending it like you're doing like
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hundreds of you know practice things or
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anything like that we don't have time
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for that but the the outer just hours
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before the demo both fronts you know is
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a head of design and and I were in the
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studio
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throwing steel balls at the window or
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just bouncing right off I'm like okay
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let seems pretty good it seems like we
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got it okay and then I we think what
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happened was that when we we when when
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when Franz hit the the door with the
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sledgehammer you know sure like like
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this is this is like exoskeleton
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you know high-strength hardened steel
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you can literally take wind up with a
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sledge hammer
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you know full-on double handed
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sledgehammer and hit the door and
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there's not even a dent it's cool but we
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think that that cracked the corner of
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the glass at the bottom and then once
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you crack the corner of the glass the
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you're just game over
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so then when you threw the bowl that
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that's what cracked the glass so that's
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true it didn't shatter the whole thing
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like a regular window would either which
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would just dissolve right so in
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hindsight the ball should have been
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first sledgehammer set yeah yeah you
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live you learn yeah exactly
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listen man we've taken up a lot of your
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time you have a child yeah I got it
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recently
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it's amazing that you had the time to
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come down here and I really appreciate
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that I appreciate everything you do man
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I'm glad you're out there and I really
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appreciate you coming down here and
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sharing your perspective well I think
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you got a great show thanks for having
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me on thank you my pleasure pleasure
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Elon Musk ladies and gentlemen good
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night
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[Laughter]Do you mean today, during the Rogan podcast? Or are you talking about what he tweeted last week?
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Some noteworthy sections of the discussion:
- Co-vid 19 discussion begins at Time Index 57:19
- "Free America" Tweet discussion begins at 67:06
- About being on Twitter: 69:32
- Elon: "sure I mean I've been in the Twitter war zone for a while here so you know I take it takes a lot to to faze me at this point
- Joe: "yeah that's meant to write like you develop a thick skin"
- Elon: "yeah you can't take it personally"
- CNN Ventilator story 73:04
- Elon addresses the California Shutdown 76:43
"We're in stage two tomorrow or Friday two days from now stage two retail stores opening up things are changing like what no one knows the correct process that needs to take place to save the most amount of lives but yet ensure that our our culture and that our our economy survives.
"It's a lot of speculation and guessing but if you go to certain places they'll tell you we know why and we know this and we know it's hard yeah I mean in general I think that's like we should be concerned about anything that's a massive infringement on our civil liberties.
"Yes you know so it's like you got to put a lot of weight on that yeah people a lot of people died too you know when independence with the country and fight for the democracy that we have and you know we should treasure that and not and not give up our liberties too easily I think we think we probably did that actually." - Universal basic income plan 80:30
- Discussion about Joe's Luducris Model S 114:08
Joe: Last time you were here you convinced me to buy a Tesla I bought it and it's ****ing insane all right glad you like it very fun I don't it's not just pretty fun it's like I the way I've described it as it makes other cars seem stupid they just seemed dumb like I love dumb things I love dumb cars like I love campfires yeah I love campfires I have a 1993 Porsche that's air-cooled sure it's like it's not that fast it's really slow compared to Tesla yeah it's really quite slow of it yeah but there's something engaging about the mechanical just like the the gears are very it's very analog but it's so stupid in comparison to the Tesla like when I want to go somewhere and the Model S I hit the gas and just goes wee it just it like violates time yeah yeah yeah
Elon: you've tried it like ludicrous plus and yeah wait we did just a software update where it'll do it like a cheetah stance so yeah so it's it because it's got a dynamic air suspension so it lowers the back
Joe: oh Jesus yeah just like a like a sprinter basic right like what do you do if your sprinter you hunker down and then so I shaved like a tenth of a second or third Stacey I mean like you know it's pretty fun it's so far I've taken so many people and I'm like take them for the holy *sugar* moment I'm like you ready like hang on there and then I stomp on the gas I've never felt anything like it it's confusing yeah it really is the instant torque the instant torque and just the sheer acceleration is baffling. it's baffling its baffled I've never felt it
Elon: no it's faster than falling it's crazy
Joe: it's so fast it's a roller coaster yeah
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Todd Burch
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Elon confirms in the Joe Rogan podcast that selling his possessions is a result of attacks on his wealth.
jhm
Well-Known Member
Thank you for the link!
I must say, these captions read like 2001 google translate trying to translate from japanese to english or something. Either way, the covid-19 and "free america" tweet segments doesn't seem so bad, from just skimming through them?
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