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In that case, @Artful Dodger would be right, and everybody naked short TSLA, better cover before market close on the 21st. For every $1 naked short on the 21st, they will be naked short $1.8 on the next trading day.

Say they shorted at $1,500 and price price after the split is $300 ... that looks like break even.. but we have already seen the split has moved the price up...

Again I have a hunch Dodger is on to something, but I'm dipping out as it is above my pay grade.
 
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Happy Friday :D
 
More Dishwasher OT:

Check out Fisher Paykel's DishDrawer. If you're remodeling your kitchen, you can set your self up with two drawers at just below counter height - and if you're a small family you may find you almost never actually have to put clean dishes away - just pull clean from one drawer and put dirty into the other. Swap when you run the dirty one.
I tried those, but eventually gave up on them. Great idea, poor execution. The problem is that the top drawer leaks on the electronics (which are situated between the two drawers).
 
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Are these naked sales registered with the exchange (or whatever you call it)? Otherwise, the buyer of a naked "synthetic" share sold short - of which they are completely unaware - won't party to the stock split? I mean how does that work in this case?
My understanding is that they are supposed to be reported within 13 days, but because of slight-of-hand while shuffling the naked shorts, they effectively never have to report. It's pretty much like musical chairs. Everyone is fine until they are forced to sit.
 
Great post! A mod should add this to posts of particular merit imo.

But 2 questions that I was unable to Google the answer to:
  1. What is the relationship between the naked short seller and buyer? I believe that usually shares have to be delivered within 3 days, or there will be a FTD (Failed to Deliver). You're saying this is 13 days in the case of a naked short sale? So the relationship between a naked short seller and buyer is different than the relationship between another (short) seller and buyer? So buyers of naked short sales are aware that they are buying naked shorts, because the delivery deadline of those shares are 13 days? Or are you saying that naked short sellers literally have the ability/privilege to create real shares out of thin air and deliver them to the buyer, as long as they cover or report their position within 13 days?
  2. Who records all TSLA shares on the 21st and exactly how are these recorded? If this is somebody other than Tesla, is there any chance that real shares created, sold, and delivered to a buyer by the naked short sellers will be included in this count, and that instead of perhaps 185M outstanding shares get 4 dividend shares each, 195M outstanding shares get 4 dividend shares each?

I agree. Definite post of merit for a lot of reasons...and this all ties back into why the SEC soon will stand for S Elon’s C...you know....Stuff Elon’s Checkbook ;) :cool: ;)
 
For every $1 naked short on the 21st, they will be naked short $1.8 on the next trading day.
If the stock prices goes to exactly $1800 on 21st, then for every $1 naked shorted on the 21st, they would still be naked shorted $1. Just that instead of owing 1/1800 fraction of a $1800 share per dollar, they will owe 5/360 of a $360 share per dollar shorted, which comes out to the same, not $1.80.
 
Disclaimer: I'm an engineer (non-PE), not a fiscal guru.

Except, given due bills, wouldn't shorting more shares backfire (by creating liability to deliver 4 more per naked short)?

Or would they be able to sell shares without due bills, and the dividend just doesn't get delivered? I feel like that would be incredibly illegal, and would also reveal to brokers what's going on...
I think that intervening week could be an interesting time. I don't think the 'due bill' itself is an issue, that is just tracking the shares from pre to post split. However, if all ducks must be lined up before Aug 28th close/ Aug 31 open, then yeah naked positions would need to be closed/ covered with actual borrowing. Only way out is if they can claim coverage and backfill after the Aug 31 open with the 1/5 price shares.

So you're saying that naked shorts are essentially just a debt between the naked short seller and the buyer? So the buyer is aware that the shares it owns are owed by a naked short seller? And so he will report his shares owned excluding those owed to him by the naked short seller, and expect the naked short seller to pay him the 4 share dividend?

Not quite. The buyer does not know the shares never existed. Only a brokerage knows where the shares really came from (either internal trade or inter brokerage). For internal, the brokerage knows the most recent transfer status, for inter brokerage, it is assumed the selling side is legitimate.

As an analogy: you own a small bank with 50k in actual cash. You then claim 100k in deposits and wire 100k to a different city bank to buy a house with a view (or large monitor). The city bank credits the seller the funds and things look normal. Later on, the small bank gets audited and surprise, the money didn't exist to transfer.
In that case, @Artful Dodger would be right, and everybody naked short TSLA, better cover before market close on the 21st. For every $1 naked short on the 21st, they will be naked short $1.8 on the next trading day.


The 1.8 factor is not quite right because the 1 represents the old price times one share or the new next week price times 5 shares. It doesn't get to be both. Best case for them (if possible) is they naked short 4 new price shares after the event. Worst case is they buy a real full price single share pre event to true up the shortfall. Thus forcing them into an actual borrowed short position with capital outlay. Since they never paid for the naked share, but recieved money for it, the cost is currentSP-originalSP. Ouch!
 
So, how does a 'Stock Dividend' break up such a scam? Although any MM who has a large, unreported backlog of synthetic shares created to support their own proprietary trading (with the express goal of depressing the SP), they CAN NOT use their market maker's exemption to create new shares (they only have the right to borrow shares 'in the blind' with the understanding that they will eventually locate them).

This will not be the case after a 5:1 split. With 12 million shares sold short (as of July 31st), after the split their will be a need to identify 48 million new shares to attach to the existing shorts. This is an accounting problem of enormous magnitude for Broker's that have outstanding FTDs on their books.

It will be like a game of 'hot potato', where other MMs will suddenly be unwilling to swap naked short shares as they scramble to locate shares for their own accounts.

Why can't they fake borrow/ 'create new shares' post-event? Isn't that exactly what they were doing pre-event?

If all positions increase share count 5x, why is it any harder to find shares post-event than pre-event?

If FTD limits are a fixed share count, or you are talking about the 21st-28th true up period, I can see the issue, otherwise I don't get it.

I expect some of the 28-odd market makers in TSLA will not survive this. It's notable that Deutsche Bank has recently announced that they are abandoning their role as MM for TSLA, since they were one of Tesla's most vocal critics and had some of the lowest price targets on the street.
Deutsche Bank started pulling out of the equities game over a year ago.
Deutsche Bank will exit global equities business and slash 18,000 jobs in sweeping overhaul
 
Say they shorted at $1,500 and price price after the split is $300 ... that looks like break even.. but we have already seen the split has moved the price up...

Again I have a hunch Dodger is on to something, but I'm dipping out as it is above my pay grade.

This article is also quite insightful. Lots of good stuff in there:

How phantom shares on Wall Street threaten U.S. companies and investors

I'm actually not so sure anymore that @Artful Dodger is right. It sounds like a naked short sale is more like a futures contract. A purchase is agreed upon, but the actual delivery of the stock doesn't have to happen until settlement date. Thus, a person naked short TSLA never actually delivers a share in the first place, because it does not have a share to deliver. Thus, either the transaction fails at some point, or the short seller buys/borrows the share and delivers it.

Although after the stock split the naked short seller would have to deliver 5 shares, a run up in the stock price aside, it sounds like he could just arrange to buy/borrow 5 shares cheaper after the stock split, and deliver the 5 shares. It doesn't appear to be the case that a naked short seller will owe 1 share @ $1,500 and then another 4 shares @ $300 for a $2,700 debt total.
 
This BofA upgrade is monumental. It’s the biggest flip yet of a TSLA bear analyst. It may be more of a lagging indicator than a leading one, but if I was a short I wouldn’t stick around to find out.

We’ve won a lot of battles ($300, $420, $500, $1500, etc), but the war continues on. This upgrade, though, is like the Battle of Yorktown. As the fog lifts this morning, the sunrise reveals an opposing general waving a white flag.

Some appropriate music for this morning:

 
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But it's grammar-school easy to imagine a scheme where two market makers collude to evade the 13-day FTD reporting requirements:

Could you further explain what you mean by the 13-day FTD reporting requirement? I read through the Key Points about Regulations SHO, but the only reference to 13 days I could find seemed to refer to the clearing agency having to close out the position after a FTD persists for 13 days.
 
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I have suspected this for years. FINRA reports on about only half of NASDAQ's total trading activity which occurs on any given trading day (lot's of trading not reported by FINRA). Further, it is mostly those large brokers and hedge funds who DO NOT report through FINRA, making them more likely to be short sellers. There's a lot of secrecy involved.

But it's grammar-school easy to imagine a scheme where two market makers collude to evade the 13-day FTD reporting requirements:
  • Broker 'A' sells naked shorts on Day 1
  • by Day 12, Broker 'A' has still not located shares
  • instead of covering, Broker 'A' buys more shorts from Broker 'B'
  • after a while Brokers 'A' and 'B' are routinely swapping naked shorts
  • the 13 day reporting clock is reset indefinitely, thus the rule is nullified
After a legimate short sale, the share count is supposed to be preserved and trackable. But MMs violate this requirement via their short sellers exemption to do their own proprietary (for profit) trading. Let's use an example to see how this problematic short selling can be broken up:
  • before a short sale, let's say there was exactly 1 share total available to borrow
  • in a legimate short sale, the share count is supposed to be preserved and trackable
  • after such a short sale, there are 2 legitimate share owners and a 1 debtor:
    • the original owner (the lender), and
    • the purchaser of the borrowed share (although this fact is hidden from the new owner), and
    • 1 borrower (the short seller) who has a contractual arrangement to purchase a share to replace the one they borrowed through their broker
    • they have a margin arrangement or capital reserve requirement with their Broker to enforce this commitment
    • Share accounting: 2 shares - 1 promise = 1 share
    • thus the share count before and after a legitimate short sale is 1
  • MMs can use their privileges to do problematic naked short selling: (the case not just when a broker fails to locate a share to borrow, but when they personally engage in propriety trading by conducting short selling on their own behalf):
    • there is no borrower, no 3rd party with a separate capital reserve
    • share count is violated, since the Broker never attempts to locate a share
    • the role of the law of Supply and Demand is circumvented in setting the share price by skewing the Order Book always to the down side
    • Brokers can create infinite synthetic shares over the short term, but always a long enough term to break up a rally (say a few hours or days)
    • all of this is done in secrecy, away from the view of the SEC or reporting requirements
So, how does a 'Stock Dividend' break up such a scam? Although any MM who has a large, unreported backlog of synthetic shares created to support their own proprietary trading (with the express goal of depressing the SP), they CAN NOT use their market maker's exemption to create new shares (they only have the right to borrow shares 'in the blind' with the understanding that they will eventually locate them).

This will not be the case after a 5:1 split. With 12 million shares sold short (as of July 31st), after the split their will be a need to identify 48 million new shares to attach to the existing shorts. This is an accounting problem of enormous magnitude for Broker's that have outstanding FTDs on their books.

It will be like a game of 'hot potato', where other MMs will suddenly be unwilling to swap naked short shares as they scramble to locate shares for their own accounts.

Again, this will not be a problem for any MM that has been conducting their business of short selling properly. It will however be a huge problem for any TSLA market maker who has been engaging in proprietary short selling using their 'Madoff exemption', and without a 3rd party to cover those shorts. It will be their own capital reserves that will determine if they can survive the stock dividend, and the relative size of their short position at risk.

I expect some of the 28-odd market makers in TSLA will not survive this. It's notable that Deutsche Bank has recently announced that they are abandoning their role as MM for TSLA, since they were one of Tesla's most vocal critics and had some of the lowest price targets on the street.

TL;dr no MMs will be harmed by the TSLA stock dividend unless they have been acting improperly. We are about to get a glimpse behind the curtain of secrecy on Wall St.

Cheers!

@avoigt @SpaceCash @Hock1 @Boomer19 @Fact Checking
@Artful Dodger, excellent post. It is posts like yours, these pure gems, that make reading this TMC thread worth the effort and make up for the veriable plethera tawks on screen size, dishwashers and beer brands.
 
This article is also quite insightful. Lots of good stuff in there:

How phantom shares on Wall Street threaten U.S. companies and investors

I'm actually not so sure anymore that @Artful Dodger is right. It sounds like a naked short sale is more like a futures contract. A purchase is agreed upon, but the actual delivery of the stock doesn't have to happen until settlement date. Thus, a person naked short TSLA never actually delivers a share in the first place, because it does not have a share to deliver. Thus, either the transaction fails at some point, or the short seller buys/borrows the share and delivers it.
Pretty sure the second paragraph in that article has a typo, should be sell.
"It’s when the bank/broker-dealers buy stocks, pocket the money and fail to deliver to clients the shares they are supposed to settle through the national stock clearing house."

Up until this point, they could just keep trading non existent shares with each other, like paying off a credit card with a new credit card while the balance keeps rising.
If everyone has to true up by the Aug 28-Aug 31 weekend, then naked shorters are toast since they have no backing and will need to cover.

Although after the stock split the naked short seller would have to deliver 5 shares, a run up in the stock price aside, it sounds like he could just arrange to buy/borrow 5 shares cheaper after the stock split, and deliver the 5 shares. It doesn't appear to be the case that a naked short seller will owe 1 share @ $1,500 and then another 4 shares @ $300 for a $2,700 debt total.
Yeah, if they are allowed to do that across the Aug 28/31 boundary. Either way, it will be 1 old price share or 5 new price shares. The 1 and 4 senario is more like the special share class dividend (was that Big Lots?).
 
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I have suspected this for years. FINRA reports on about only half of NASDAQ's total trading activity which occurs on any given trading day (lot's of trading not reported by FINRA). Further, it is mostly those large brokers and hedge funds who DO NOT report through FINRA, making them more likely to be short sellers. There's a lot of secrecy involved.

But it's grammar-school easy to imagine a scheme where two market makers collude to evade the 13-day FTD reporting requirements:
  • Broker 'A' sells naked shorts on Day 1
  • by Day 12, Broker 'A' has still not located shares
  • instead of covering, Broker 'A' buys more shorts from Broker 'B'
  • after a while Brokers 'A' and 'B' are routinely swapping naked shorts
  • the 13 day reporting clock is reset indefinitely, thus the rule is nullified
After a legimate short sale, the share count is supposed to be preserved and trackable. But MMs violate this requirement via their short sellers exemption to do their own proprietary (for profit) trading. Let's use an example to see how this problematic short selling can be broken up:
  • before a short sale, let's say there was exactly 1 share total available to borrow
  • in a legimate short sale, the share count is supposed to be preserved and trackable
  • after such a short sale, there are 2 legitimate share owners and a 1 debtor:
    • the original owner (the lender), and
    • the purchaser of the borrowed share (although this fact is hidden from the new owner), and
    • 1 borrower (the short seller) who has a contractual arrangement to purchase a share to replace the one they borrowed through their broker
    • they have a margin arrangement or capital reserve requirement with their Broker to enforce this commitment
    • Share accounting: 2 shares - 1 promise = 1 share
    • thus the share count before and after a legitimate short sale is 1
  • MMs can use their privileges to do problematic naked short selling: (the case not just when a broker fails to locate a share to borrow, but when they personally engage in propriety trading by conducting short selling on their own behalf):
    • there is no borrower, no 3rd party with a separate capital reserve
    • share count is violated, since the Broker never attempts to locate a share
    • the role of the law of Supply and Demand is circumvented in setting the share price by skewing the Order Book always to the down side
    • Brokers can create infinite synthetic shares over the short term, but always a long enough term to break up a rally (say a few hours or days)
    • all of this is done in secrecy, away from the view of the SEC or reporting requirements
So, how does a 'Stock Dividend' break up such a scam? Although any MM who has a large, unreported backlog of synthetic shares created to support their own proprietary trading (with the express goal of depressing the SP), they CAN NOT use their market maker's exemption to create new shares (they only have the right to borrow shares 'in the blind' with the understanding that they will eventually locate them).

This will not be the case after a 5:1 split. With 12 million shares sold short (as of July 31st), after the split their will be a need to identify 48 million new shares to attach to the existing shorts. This is an accounting problem of enormous magnitude for Broker's that have outstanding FTDs on their books.

It will be like a game of 'hot potato', where other MMs will suddenly be unwilling to swap naked short shares as they scramble to locate shares for their own accounts.

Again, this will not be a problem for any MM that has been conducting their business of short selling properly. It will however be a huge problem for any TSLA market maker who has been engaging in proprietary short selling using their 'Madoff exemption', and without a 3rd party to cover those shorts. It will be their own capital reserves that will determine if they can survive the stock dividend, and the relative size of their short position at risk.

I expect some of the 28-odd market makers in TSLA will not survive this. It's notable that Deutsche Bank has recently announced that they are abandoning their role as MM for TSLA, since they were one of Tesla's most vocal critics and had some of the lowest price targets on the street.

TL;dr no MMs will be harmed by the TSLA stock dividend unless they have been acting improperly. We are about to get a glimpse behind the curtain of secrecy on Wall St.

Cheers!

@avoigt @SpaceCash @Hock1 @Boomer19 @Fact Checking

technically it’s the prop trading side of investment banks, HFs, liquidity providers/MMs that ‘trade’, not the brokerage end of the business. but even those trades done in dark pools need to have the other side of the trade.

so if a prop desk is open selling in a dark pool, someone is still on the other side of it, either reducing a short, or going long.

“hiding” the shares really only applies to those who do not have to file any SEC documentation as to position. that’s why when citadel had 4.5mm shares reported earlier this year it was like...ok someone screwed up and ended up taking on a huge position...and now they have to report the long...and then we subsequently had a meltdown from 980-800 in a matter of a couple trading hours from near close to next morning in February. hmmm nothing fishy there. (of course just speculation but impossible to account for)

for short selling, FINRA only reports what is reported to them, which loosely and generally means what happens on the open market tape - perhaps not dark pool trading.

the fail rules are always being amended. 12-13 days is no longer valid.
since T+2 the lifecycle is now shortened. the locate has to happen before allowing a customer to short. again, a brokerage that represents its customers positions, is required to locate or subsequently buy in if the shares are recalled. they don’t hide shorts and generally can’t avoid that rule. the broker is a passthru

the inv banks prop desk, or a MM/liq provider is a little different.

i know this doesn’t help solve any mystery, but just saying.