MarcusMaximus
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Huh, the official Tesla twitter is actually entertaining... when did this happen?
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It better be a lot faster than what the video upstream showed. People are so impatient when behind the wheel.
I often have my rear camera view up while driving. I once got caught behind rapidly braking traffic on the interstate in the left lane. I left plenty of space in front of me. And it was a good thing too, since the person behind me wasn’t able to stop in time so I had to accelerate and fill the gap I left to avoid getting rear-ended.
Point is, if he was watching his rear camera view he could have been ready for the maneuver. (Or lucky that his instinct was the right one).
Tesla talks in their release notes about all of their safety features. Collision avoidance, lane departure warning, obstacle-aware acceleration, etc, etc. do you really think this awesome collision avoidance functionality would be completely unmentioned in release notes, on Twitter, etc?
Sorry, not buying it. And I’m a huge Tesla and AP fan. (Yuge.)
Absolutely. They’ve had lots of stuff buried in their software and not told people about it. If it’s a new feature that isn’t developed quite enough/they want to collect more data before telling people it exists and the like...sure, why not?
But then it would not be "driveable space"Because if it misses a car in the adjacent lane going 70 mph, it will have just swerved the car moving a few MPH in front of a car going 70 mph, perhaps causing multiple fatalities. Nope. Not buying it.
Tesla isn't for sale and Tesla doesn't need Google, Google needs Tesla. For software and hardware and cars and batteries. What does Tesla need from Google? Cash? They can get so much as they want or are willing to go get.
I think you're probably misunderstanding some parts of my views here.Dave, I’m kinda shocked at your views on this.
If you are a robotaxi customer, and you have the choice between a noisy, vibrating robotaxi versus a quiet, smooth EV at several times cheaper per mile, which would you choose?
Because if it misses a car in the adjacent lane going 70 mph, it will have just swerved the car moving a few MPH in front of a car going 70 mph, perhaps causing multiple fatalities. Nope. Not buying it.
Somehow their OKR did not push Nest to produce anything for years after merger. I wonder what KEY result they used to measure there. And their android messaging system had several parallel solutions fighting each other without a clear direction for years, while most people think iMessage is much better. I guess finding KEY results is not that simple. And how exactly they pivoted in Cloud offering to allow them to get ahead again?If Waymo is like Google, they manage by OKRs, as described in 'Measure what matters' and 'Trillion dollar coach'.
It's easy and encouraged under these programs to admit errors and pivot quickly. Culture you're describing isn't something I would attribute to Google. Don't know about Apple.
It’s interesting that there has been zero coverage in the US media of FCA giving € 1.8 billion to Tesla over a period of 3 years.
Is this priced in or not?
As Elon tweeted on Feb 25th, the day the FCA deal was signed - “Fate loves irony” - very apt
Lane Departure Avoidance and Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance. I've seen no release note about them. The control for Lane Departure Avoidance doesn't appear on my Model 3 with 2019.12.1.2 (that I can find anyway). The Tesla blog post "unveiled" the features. Tesla tweeted (Tesla on Twitter) on May 2 that these new features were "rolling out today". So what evidence is there that they are out?Based on that I'd guess there's a significant chance that this was a variant of the "Emergency Lane Keep Assist" FSD feature, which was activated last week IIRC.
Didn't Elon just recently make FSD/robotaxis the main and most important part of the TSLA investment thesis? And wasn't the cap raise investor call largely about this as well? It seems like a relevant and timely topic for this thread as it has huge implications for TSLA both present and future.
I agree. Like it or not, Musk has now positioned TSLA as a robotaxi play. In an accelerating manner here on out, every new self-driving development by Tesla and their competitors are going to be relevant to our investment. Anyone who doesn't want endless discussion of autonomous driving should now find somewhere else to spend their time.
But, please, folks, take back-and-forth discussions over technical points to a separate thread. Hopefully the moderators can help enforce this.
I agree. That’s why I recommended a current thread in the Investor sub forum and/or creating a new thread just for FSD/Robotaxi and it’s implications on SP. You could even petition a mod to make it a sticky, if people used it.Since someone here mentioned the Autonomous forum as a place for today’s discussion, I thought I’d head over and check it out.
It is infested by the hired guns of the Tesla smear campaign. Almost every thread I’ve seen there is dominated by them.
Imagine someone inspired by the autonomy day heading to TMC forums and literally being bombarded by bad news coming from supposed owners and Tesla fans. I would imagine it would turn them off and completely dim their excitement.
It just makes me so sick, I can’t even stand to go there.
I know someone earlier today said good product will win in the end, but has any product ever been the subject of this intense of a smear campaign?
This thread is a relative safe haven.
I think you're probably misunderstanding some parts of my views here.
Robotaxi customers will be driven by the same things ride hailing customers are driven by right now. Mainly cost and availability. People will choose the cheapest ride available at the time they need it.
Do you really think that of the three choices, go left, go right, go straight, it didn’t assess which path was clear? That’s not a corner case decision, it’s driving 101. Absolutely core.
They'll never go all-electric, they'll just go out of business.Related: FCA's Maserati brand announced that it will never go all-electric. “This is a brand that needs combustion engines," said
Al Gardner, head of Maserati North America. Sales were down 28% in 2018 and down about 40% in 2019Q1 — I'm not sure if that's for USA or global.
I have 2019.12.1.2 also. I assume those features will be in the next update arriving any day now... 12.1.3 or 12.2.Lane Departure Avoidance and Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance. I've seen no release note about them. The control for Lane Departure Avoidance doesn't appear on my Model 3 with 2019.12.1.2 (that I can find anyway). The Tesla blog post "unveiled" the features. Tesla tweeted (Tesla on Twitter) on May 2 that these new features were "rolling out today". So what evidence is there that they are out?
It's difficult to make out what the author is saying and what he says others are saying.You misread:
One first answer is that most teams do not feel this is the time to lower costs. This is the time to have maximum safety, and get it as soon as possible and be first to market.
He's giving the view of "most teams". He does not say they are correct. Much like when he says:
...computer vision has to be so good that it does everything LIDAR can do for you. ...If it can do all that, then you don't need LIDAR.
he's giving Musk's view. The whole point of the article is to present each side's view. He later adds some of his thoughts.
Given the choice of LIDAR+Camera vs. Camera, the former is the faster, safer path.