Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Fact Checking]

Great, now would you care to pick out all of the business deals he has had throughout his life that proved successful?

According to the sources I provided the total outcome of his business deals was worse than putting all his inheritance from his father into a S&P 500 tracking index fund.

 

[Tslynk67]

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Article is not written by Mercola.

 

[ZachF]

It’s not so simple. US companies rely a lot on Chinese materials and manufacturing. If those dry up or get too expensive, that’s an awful lot of the US economy that will just stop working.

The surplus countries lose more in a trade war....It's simple math.

 

[Dan Detweiler]

It's really simple: Trump says a thing, and also says the 180° opposite thing, depending on the audience. Later on they'll claim that one of those claims was a "joke" - or will simply lie about it. They even doctored official White House transcripts to falsify what he really said on tape - they are absolutely shameless and brazen about it.

The reason he has been attacking the "mainstream media" is because it's the only channel that can destroy his media persona and can spread the word that Trump is a habitual liar with failing health. They still have trouble saying it out loud.

Be careful...your comment rings very similar to this clip.

Tesla's Elon Musk is a liar, he will do anything to keep stocks elevated: Blaine Capital

Do you both believe your position? Absolutely. Are there other interpretations of the same data? Most definitely. Is somebody wrong? Well, each side would call the other wrong. How does one sway the other? Provide the opportunity for the other side to experience your reality and decide for themselves.

Put somebody in a Tesla. Let them experience it for themselves. How many times have we heard this echoed on this forum? But I digress and this is getting way beyond current market matters.

Dan

 

[stretchsje]

Not a fan necessarily of trade wars, but it will hurt China more than it will hurt the US.

Chinese exports to the US are >4% of their GDP
US exports to China are <1% of our GDP

Tariffs on imports are a penalty on the importer, not the exporter. Paying more for the same good is not winning. The stock market reaction to a trade war threats reflect this.

 

[Curt Renz]

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TDA clients were also bullish on the self-driving theme last month, as both Tesla Motors Inc and NIO Inc-ADR were net buys.

 

[mickificki]

According to the sources I provided the total outcome of his business deals was worse than putting all his inheritance from his father into a S&P 500 tracking index fund.

What the hell does this have to do with investor discussions? We get it you hate trump. Can we move on please?

 

[VValleyEV]

I think what China is running into is a US President that is not afraid to pull a negotiating trigger if he feels it puts him in a stronger position. Remember, President Trump is a businessman first and foremost. He has been a negotiator his entire adult life. I don't think he is at all concerned about his political future as much as he is putting himself in a stronger negotiating position. The question China has to answer is "Is he bluffing?". I don't think he is.

Is this the best strategy? Well, depends on who you ask. What the rest of the world is trying to figure out is a President that does exactly what he said he was going to do in the primaries. That is a new and different animal on the world stage.

Now, having said all that, I am in no way saying that the President's methods are the right ones. I didn't vote for the man. I am just saying that his actions are methodical and predictable and should not come as a surprise. China and the rest of the international economic community are trying to figure out how to deal with this new approach. Sometimes it seems to be a pissing contest between two playground bullies, but often times in big international economic negotiations that is exactly the way the parties behave. Like it or not. One big game of chicken. Who's going to flinch first?

Dan

Politics aside, really I am basically a free market guy and have voted for Republicans before, BUT I think this president is not at all concerned with anything but his own image. He is terribly ignorant of economics, international trade, and many other things, and he is not even really a businessman. He imagines himself a consummate negotiator, and the combination of that ego with a giant vacuum of knowledge does not bode well for a good outcome in the China trade negotiations.

 

[Swampgator]

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TDA clients were also bullish on the self-driving theme last month, as both Tesla Motors Inc and NIO Inc-ADR were net buys.

Yes, Weed and self driving kinda go together

 

[ZachF]

Tariffs on imports are a penalty on the importer, not the exporter. Paying more for the same good is not winning. The stock market reaction to a trade war threats reflect this.

Note I said the surplus countries lose more in a trade war.... Implying the other side is often also losing as well.

 

[canoemore]

Be careful...your comment rings very similar to this clip.

Tesla's Elon Musk is a liar, he will do anything to keep stocks elevated: Blaine Capital

Do you both believe your position? Absolutely. Are there other interpretations of the same data? Most definitely. Is somebody wrong? Well, each side would call the other wrong. How does one sway the other? Provide the opportunity for the other side to experience your reality and decide for themselves.

Put somebody in a Tesla. Let them experience it for themselves. How many times have we heard this echoed on this forum? But I digress and this is getting way beyond current market matters.

Dan

Both-sides logic is no more wise when evaluating politics than it is when evaluating the environmental impact of EVs versus ICE. FUD may obfuscate reality, but it's still out there if you care to look hard enough.

 

[AWDtsla]

Tesla mobile service replaced a headlight on My Model 3 a few weeks ago, technician was super friendly, and when I mentioned Rich's YouTube tech guy told me he was the one who detailed rich's used Model X. Rich made it look poorly detailed to get more views, tech guy took "detailed" pictures of car before rich took delivery. It saved his ass from being fired. Rich's channel is just another reality show, "fake". Show Business also, rich had a massive amount of help from Tesla dedham employees in secret since the beginning, at least 3 of them got fired for helping him.

Man this place still is an echochamber, maybe worse than it was before. Here's him picking up the car finally and saying how good it was:

If you want to find the before condition, you can do that your damn self. The video evidence still up on youtube. Or don't look at it, stay in your bubble.

 

[JRP3]

What the hell does this have to do with investor discussions? We get it you hate trump. Can we move on please?

Someone else brought up the topic, and unfortunately the President's actions do affect the market.

 

[Hock1]

Be careful...your comment rings very similar to this clip.

Tesla's Elon Musk is a liar, he will do anything to keep stocks elevated: Blaine Capital

Do you both believe your position? Absolutely. Are there other interpretations of the same data? Most definitely. Is somebody wrong? Well, each side would call the other wrong. How does one sway the other? Provide the opportunity for the other side to experience your reality and decide for themselves.

Put somebody in a Tesla. Let them experience it for themselves. How many times have we heard this echoed on this forum? But I digress and this is getting way beyond current market matters.

Dan

Hence my post: "Trump Derangement Syndrome/Tesla Derangement Syndrome: two sides of the same coin" (of hate).

 

[bpjod]

I could be wrong, but I don’t think Elon or any of his companies has ever declared bankruptcy.

"So bankrupt, you can't believe it."
Elon Musk on Twitter

 

[ggies07]

Who the hell took over the Tesla Twitter account? Haha. Loving the sarcastic posts.

 

[KarenRei]

Who the hell took over the Tesla Twitter account? Haha. Loving the sarcastic posts.

Loving it too. It's gone from a boring "corporate PR fluff" account to a Wendy's style snark account. The latter get far more views and (usually positive) interest.

 

[ABCTG]

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[MarcusMaximus]

Loving it too. It's gone from a boring "corporate PR fluff" account to a Wendy's style snark account. The latter get far more views and (usually positive) interest.

I also like the repeated community event style posts. Both usually very funny and builds a big sense of community, which greatly strengthens the brand(when you buy a Tesla, you aren’t just buying a car, you’re gaining access to a fun club/community)

 

[ZsoZso]

Like I said, predictable and methodical. He has done and is doing exactly what he said he would do during the campaign. You can argue the wisdom of his actions but you can't say he didn't warn you. We'll see where it all ends up.

Dan

Let me just leave this link to refute the highlighted line.