JusRelax
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P3D and LR RWD prices both increased by $500. But there's no demand.... why would they increase prices?!
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I love one of the comments on one of that guys posts about the price increase. "Probably a push to get people to buy for fear of rising prices"...…..what?
That is some bizarre logic to throw shade at what is undeniable evidence that demand for the high end trims is doing absolutely phenomenal.
Mike Smith
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Musk to go off Twitter ... again
When Musk said he was quitting twitter in June it caused a fairly big TSLA rally
When Musk said he was quitting twitter in June it caused a fairly big TSLA rally
The display is not $8K the display and the MCU together are about $2500 installed, so that's just nonsense.
Of course Tesla will service older vehicles. "On your own" just means you have to pay after warranty is up just like any car.
Let's compare out of warranty items:
1. ICE engine. You're likely to not have your car for a month. Tesla drivetrain. Replaced with remanufactured in a day.
2. ICE transmission. Your car is still out for a month. Tesla: no transmission
3. ICE electronics. Not much there, but they also haven't changed functionality since you bought the car. However, diagnostics is a pain because there are many separate (but somewhat interconnected) processors, so there may be many replacements until the problem is actually solved. Tesla's software will have been upgraded many times with new functionality. There are really only two parts, the MCU for the display, and the other processor for driving. Not much to diagnose.
4. Battery. Practically a non-issue. We don't actually know the price of an 85K or higher replacement battery (except for insurance replacements) because No S, X, or 3 is over eight years old yet. One thing that is known is that the battery will go down in price as the years go by. An example is that when the 2004 Prius first came out all the detractors said $10K for replacement, by the time anyone had to replace a battery the price was $3K installed.
5. Performance after repair. With the ICE engine or transmission success depends on the skill and effort the mechanic puts into it. So it's basically a crap-shoot. You might have a good mechanic that is having a bad day. Also it depends on how much is repaired or rebuilt. Tesla's rebuilt parts are remanufactured at the factory, with real quality control checks.
The unions have reason to fret, that CEO Tavares is a cost cutting fiend. But he bought Opel back to profitability after 15 years of loosing money under GM.
On the EV front, my guess, is that CEO Tavares (he is not pro EV by some of his statements) take the cheap route and makes a deal to use VW's MEB platform. The Tesla parts sharing rumor doesn't seem probable to me.
The man who would be CEO of the combined PSA/FCA. Wall Street loves him, but I betting TMC does not.
PSA CEO Voices Unbacked Concerns Over Societal Issues Of EVs
"Tavares' specific concerns revolve around battery production. He feels there will be many consequences involved in the switch, and he doesn't believe others are aware or truly understand. He shared (via Autocar):
What I wonder about is who is taking the 360 degree view? There is so much more to consider than selling electrified cars, from the battery creation to the battery recycling, from the rare metals being used to the extraction techniques to get them, to what it means for taxation, the total cost of ownership, the charging point infrastructure and more. If you want clean energy you need to ask how you produce that energy.
From my perspective, the current strategy around this 360 degree view is lacking clarity. The car industry is moving quickly and strongly, but from cities to governments I am a little worried that the answer is that nobody has a cohesive approach. If they miss something then the whole strategy could backfire on us, not just as an industry but on citizens as a whole."
FCA-PSA: How Might This Merger Impact EVs And PHEVs?
"Carlos Tavares, who will be the CEO of the new alliance, is a fierce critic of electric cars. He has recently told Driving.co.uk he will not pay for charging infrastructure. He said that if politicians are pushing zero-emission mobility, they should have governments pay for that.
That does not end there. In 2017, he told “The Telegraph” electrification puts the car industry at risk. He also said that any safety or health issues linked to electric cars will be in the hands of the same governments that now push for EVs."
PSA CEO Voices Unbacked Concerns Over Societal Issues Of EVs
"Tavares' specific concerns revolve around battery production. He feels there will be many consequences involved in the switch, and he doesn't believe others are aware or truly understand. He shared (via Autocar):
What I wonder about is who is taking the 360 degree view? There is so much more to consider than selling electrified cars, from the battery creation to the battery recycling, from the rare metals being used to the extraction techniques to get them, to what it means for taxation, the total cost of ownership, the charging point infrastructure and more. If you want clean energy you need to ask how you produce that energy.
From my perspective, the current strategy around this 360 degree view is lacking clarity. The car industry is moving quickly and strongly, but from cities to governments I am a little worried that the answer is that nobody has a cohesive approach. If they miss something then the whole strategy could backfire on us, not just as an industry but on citizens as a whole."
FCA-PSA: How Might This Merger Impact EVs And PHEVs?
"Carlos Tavares, who will be the CEO of the new alliance, is a fierce critic of electric cars. He has recently told Driving.co.uk he will not pay for charging infrastructure. He said that if politicians are pushing zero-emission mobility, they should have governments pay for that.
That does not end there. In 2017, he told “The Telegraph” electrification puts the car industry at risk. He also said that any safety or health issues linked to electric cars will be in the hands of the same governments that now push for EVs."
Ridiculous. This morning I stopped by the Tampa Service Center and made an appointment to have my 2008 Founder's Series Roadster serviced. Definitely more than 8 years old, and definitely out of warranty.
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Well, it seems they didn't know how to operate the car properly. That none of the numbers were meeting specs or the fact that they couldn't get to ludicrous mode, should have been the 'we need to ask for help' red flag. Maybe too proud to ask for directions when they're lost? In any event, the publishing of false stats, instead of what they actually tested is extremely bad form.
Funny safety and health issues with electric cars? The people/government do not let his polluting ass pay the fair share enough.
You can keep the flying cars. I just want those uhhh "personal" robots.
Plenty of electronics to go bad in a modern ICE car. I wouldn't say it's that many fewer components than a Tesla.
I am not saying this might be the cause, but definitely a interesting timing to see this:
Elon Musk on Twitter
right after this:
TeslaCharts on Twitter
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Added the content of the TeslaCharts tweet.
I was also blocked long while ago, I check TSLAQ with a new burner account.
Seems they are doing victory laps for Elon going offline, weird logic as they claim they are being bullied and are not bullying.
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So, markets near highs of the day, green all over the place, including GM, F, and NIO. Yet, TSLA, the one automaker actually succeeding in this economy, is down over 1%, and, as usual, is being sold into the close. No material news other than some shorts spinning some meaningless FUD. If the longs manipulated the way shorts and the MMs manipulate this stock, the SEC would be all over such longs. Done with the rant, just frustrating (I know, we are up significantly - but, we should have never been as low as we were). Well, at least we are coming off of a GREAT quarter, and TSLA really does seem to be performing unbelievably well. At some point the lies of the manipulators will hopefully be seen for what they really are - false information meant to both keep the auto/oil industry from financial disaster and to enrich some parasitic investors who gain financially through the unmonitored spread of such false information.
I do not recall ever before visiting the Twitter account TeslaCharts, yet I now see that I am blocked from viewing it. That's rather strange. Can someone please describe what has been the general content of that account.
What is the content of that tweet? I never engaged with TeslaCharts but I'm blocked... I might have made the blocklist...
Swampgator
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woodisgood
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I've seen this idea tossed around and I realize this may be a slightly OT technical question but seems relevant to Tesla's product offerings:
What exactly prevents Tesla from offering their vehicles' batteries for emergency home power? Could they not sell a product that installs at your house, costs less than a Powerwall, and allows you to power your home (or part of it) from the Tesla's battery?
I suppose existing vehicles do not have a "power out" interface that could be targeted for consumers. But perhaps the pickup will....
What exactly prevents Tesla from offering their vehicles' batteries for emergency home power? Could they not sell a product that installs at your house, costs less than a Powerwall, and allows you to power your home (or part of it) from the Tesla's battery?
I suppose existing vehicles do not have a "power out" interface that could be targeted for consumers. But perhaps the pickup will....
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