Well if they truly have 300 miles of range and 3.5 to 60 for a $60k EV, then bravo Ford and they should have said more about their motors and their batteries and their charging network, because the creamed Nissan, GM, Jag, Audi and Mercedes. Suspiciously so.
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Yep, I heard that. I wonder how serious they were... Probably it's more like an advanced driver assist than self driving. I like that they partner with amazon home for easier home charger installation.
According to arstechnica the bigger battery size needed for 300 miles of EPA range is 98.9kWh for the RWD configuration. That's Model X/S territory, which makes me wonder how are they making money selling the top trim for 60k?
The larger pack is 98.9kWh, made from 12 modules of 376 cells. That's a lot of energy to play with, and Ford thinks that will be sufficient for 300 miles (482km) when fitted to a rear-wheel drive Mach E, which should go a long way to countering range anxiety. DC fast-charging one of those at 150kW should take the battery state of charge from 10 to 80% in 38 minutes.
Source: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/11/heres-everything-we-know-about-the-electric-ford-mustang-mach-e
StealthP3D
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I thought they attended for the free oil change and filter coupon but they only got a Denny's breakfast?
The price is on point for a newcomer. The efficiency is just like the rest. They are using 25kw more than Tesla to get the same done.
Different cars. 300 miles is the LR RWD version of the car, 3.5 0-60 is the AWD GT version of the car. (With a lot less range.)
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StealthP3D
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Really shows how inefficient the motors are. Adding a second motor absolutely tanks the range while Tesla you are giving up like 6-7%. Here you are giving up 25%+
StealthP3D
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Do you mean "you knew their *wasn't* Tesla collaboration because it was on time"?
StealthP3D
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OK, having read the comments of the Mach-E reveal, one thing seems sorely missing. Did they say when you or I could actually buy one (not that educated EV consumers actually want one)?
And did they say how many they will make next year (and the following year)?
And did they say how many they will make next year (and the following year)?
Not sure about that one, but *I* knew there wasn't Tesla collaboration because there was never a chance there would be Tesla collaboration on this one, despite this thread's collective lost mind this weekend.
StealthP3D
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You have got to be kidding!
So no immediate plans to make this widely available? And yet the specs are very yesteryear?
Isn't it like 8.6% on the standard car (230 down to 220) and 16.7% on the LR RWD to the GT (300 down to 250), but the LR AWD to the GT AWD is 7.4% (270 down to 250.) just for the performance motors.
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Just for the record, I also started there wouldn't be a collaboration because power train is the heart of an automaker's brand image. Just pointed out that IF there was one, then it would have proved our speculation about Maxwell being right.
Looking at the specs, Ford should have gone to Tesla..lol. These manufactures are all hitting an efficiency wall on motor design. Just couldn't get those magnets lined up like how Tesla is doing it as Munro speculated.
The Accountant
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Mustang Mach-E
I did like the exterior but if you take the Mustang logo off the grill, I would not recognize it as a Mustang.
Some in the Mustang crowd are not liking this:
#notamustang hashtag on Twitter
I did like the exterior but if you take the Mustang logo off the grill, I would not recognize it as a Mustang.
Some in the Mustang crowd are not liking this:
#notamustang hashtag on Twitter
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I'd have toasted you at Donkey Kong though....
RobStark
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It is somewhat popular with men over 50 that make over $200k/year.
Pickups are quite popular outside of Europe. The difference is outside of North America most pickups are compact with 4 cylinder diesel engines.
Now that China is wealthier Ford has started to import Raptor Pickup Trucks into China.
MNCs are not monogamous.
Anything Ford does selling rebadged Teslas, or Ford glyders with Tesla powertrains is additive to what Tesla does.Ditto for service.
I doubt Elon minds a Model Y owner getting his vehicle serviced in rural Northern Michigan at a Ford dealer when there is no Tesla service center around and won't be for some time.
In areas were there are Tesla and Ford dealerships around if Ford sucks as hard as you suppose at service they won't get any business from Tesla customers or owners of Ford rebadged Teslas. Competition takes care of this problem. I am sure some Ford dealers will step up and some won't.
Anyone who is not anti-Tesla or anti-Elon would rather have a genuine Tesla than a Ford rebadged Tesla. Those that won't consider a Tesla might very well consider a Ford badged Tesla. At least 15% of Americans believe Ford is much more likely to be around in 2040 than Tesla and therefore much rather have a Ford warranty and Ford dealership backing his vehicle. That might be bat *sugar* crazy but to decarbonize transport we need to sell BEVs to even dumb people. At least those that buy new cars.
What Ford would do in a theoretical partnership with Tesla is additive. IF Tesla is powertrain constrained I am sure they won't do a partnership. I think/hope that is coming to an end soon.
EVNow
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I guess you missed Nissan since 2010 ?
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