This changes my perspective, 20%less frontal area to yield 17% better “efficiency”, so their drive train is not really much more efficient after all.
Also this size could mean they would not be able to compete with Model S?
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Also this size could mean they would not be able to compete with Model S?
I had a deja vu scrolling through this Lucid Air unveil. A deja vu back to that Cadillac EV thing they 'unveiled' a while back. This wasn't an unveil, it was an hour and a half long promotional video and Q&A with fake questions to make themselves look good.
I instantly dislike any company, politician, or person in general who is fake, dishonest, and cares too much about being perfect. To me, Lucid's presentation works like anti-marketing, and makes me avoid their product and company until I see evidence of excellence. I just have a hard time trusting a company that presents itself like this, especially when it's an unproven startup. There's no way they are as perfect and amazing as they present themselves.
As for the Lucid Air, I'll see it when I believe it. Too many companies have promised the world with their EVs only to fall short. The Taycan's range, and now the ID.3 that @avoigt mentioned on Twitter will cost €49k for 160 miles of range. When Lucid is actually producing and selling this car, it'll be interesting to see what its specs are, but for now I have a hard time believing anything they say, partly due to the way they present themselves, and partly due to broken promises of other companies regarding their EVs.
Everyone see this?
UPDATE: Tesla shares plummet after stock left out of S&P 500 rebalancing
Who’s he? Sounds like something someone would say right before they do something unexpected
God damn Q3 Production report is gonna rock this world
Well at least Elon had the self-awareness to see his own hubris in the past. These guys are so stuck up their own asses that they can't breathe.
Indeed, bring on $600+ and let's wreck their stupid index as-and-when, they deign to allow $TSLA to sully the S&P500.
Two words: **** them!
Depends on your definition of "succeed", but I'd personally put my money on no one. I think they'll all sell less than 20% the volume of Tesla, quite possibly less than 10%.
As far as which one I'd like to see succeed, probably Rivian. They seem to be pretty serious and hard working. My opinion could change though if the Tesla lawsuit uncovers some really shady stuff.
Wtf 7 inches skinner than a Model 3? I thought the Model 3 was skinny enough.
Lucid Air: Almost a motorcycle....
I'm snobbishly disinterested in Lucid.
I'm disinterested in anything that costs over 100k and it's not part of a masterplan to build something cheaper and at volume.
It's all about the Mission: luxury electric cars alone are insignificant, if not detrimental.
Lucid aren't, and never will be, a competitor to Tesla, at least not in any meaningful sense. Lucid are a competitor to high-end luxury cars out there and the ICE market in general, of which there are several gazillion* vehicle that need to be replaced in the coming decades. The market is so huge that ALL manufacturers could all switch to 100% EV overnight and Tesla would still grow as planned.
(*WAG)
Guess max pain is in our favor this Friday?
Nothin' better than a good argument right before bed.
B) I agree some folks still do equate luxury with dead tortured animals, but BEV buyers might be among the vanguard of the eco-conscious who know animal agriculture contributes to climate change more than transportation.
C) Never heard of this hardship for Model S passengers.
D) Tesla discontinued their executive rear seats. Not enough demand?
E) Wait two weeks.
A) Emphasis on "the claimed"... and Tesla not standing still.
B) I agree some folks still do equate luxury with dead tortured animals, but BEV buyers might be among the vanguard of the eco-conscious who know animal agriculture contributes to climate change more than transportation.
C) Never heard of this hardship for Model S passengers.
D) Tesla discontinued their executive rear seats. Not enough demand?
E) Wait two weeks.
I see. Only slightly "drastically different."
No young people with money in Beverly Hills? Have you been there?
Man-o-man, chill out brother. A fan rendering that looks exactly like the front half of Cybertruck does indeed give an idea what Cybercar could look like. And I'm not saying Cybercar will appeal to leather-loving same-only-different buyers. I said it will appeal to lots of buyers. Nighty night.
Watts_Up
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I don't see anyone talking about the Lucid V2G (vehicle-to-grid) capability?
Tesla has been resistant so far to provide V2G, mostly considering that some older Model S have free charging,
and may be because of the current 1,000 miles of free Supercharging with the referral program,
and also because Tesla sells Powerwalls.
However with Honda, Lucid, Nissan, and Toyota having V2G on some of their car, I wonder if Tesla would one day provide V2G?
Especially in some countries, like Japan, where V2G can be use as contingency back up for the grid.
(Sep 09, 2020) Nuvve Corporation's Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Platform Enables New Phase of Project Providing Grid Services in Japan
Tesla has been resistant so far to provide V2G, mostly considering that some older Model S have free charging,
and may be because of the current 1,000 miles of free Supercharging with the referral program,
and also because Tesla sells Powerwalls.
However with Honda, Lucid, Nissan, and Toyota having V2G on some of their car, I wonder if Tesla would one day provide V2G?
Especially in some countries, like Japan, where V2G can be use as contingency back up for the grid.
(Sep 09, 2020) Nuvve Corporation's Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Platform Enables New Phase of Project Providing Grid Services in Japan
Opening strong at 385 US in Germany!
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Except for the last sentence (which I don't understand), I agree with nearly everything you say.
Rooting for Lucid but getting past the Great Filter of scaling up makes it unlikely any of the startups end up #2 behind Tesla. IMO, the only way they survive is being bought by a tera-tech giant.
That pretty much leaves GM by default because Ford won't survive as a stand-alone company.
Mo City
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Go to bed and don't get up until tomorrow afternoon!
I'm expecting V2G to be one of the things revealed at Battery Day, and so are at least some others (Now You Know - Youtube channel comes to mind).
Makes sense to add it with the Millon Mile Battery. Current Tesla batteries already last pretty long, so the MMB isn't such a huge deal for cars, but for V2G it's awesome.
Now, will they allow V2G for older cars? I don't know.
If there was a stronger rating than love I would give it to your post. This was exactly my reaction reading that blog post, and I am a person who avoids using bad words!!! F*** them and their stupid index.
there are 3 major catalysts before the December rebalancing of the index. Battery day, Production and Delivery report for Q3 and Q3 ER. By all counts Q3 appears to be a blowout quarter. By December rebalancing they will be dealing with a SP close to 700 with market cap twice as high as now. We HODLers will have a great Christmas and New Year’s celebrations!
In fact, I am glad it will be in Q4 - now it is separated enough from Battery day so that the effects of battery day will be felt with full attention. Otherwise the Q3 rebalancing would steal some of the thunder from battery day.
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Tes La Ferrari
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full disclosure: I have leather in vehicles I own where there was no option offered by the manufacturer but I am not a fan of leather seats for a number of reasons including due to how they wear and age.
I have purposely factory ordered cars without leather for my own use, and love the fact that the interior looks good years on.
Porsche, Bmw, MBz all offer non leather options, and Range Rover ie the velar was launched with Leather as the “cheap” trim and the highest end trim was non- leather.
Bentley is working on pineapple ( animal free ) leathers. While others are exploring mushroom leathers. These will be expensive options to eliminate the leather.
Car enthusiasts pay extra in $500k to 2.5 million dollar Ferrari’s for the non-leather Alcantara (non animal based fabric) as a highly desired option - primarily for reasons including weight savings, and anecdotally I can say I know a couple of owners who are vegan so ordered their Ferrari’s with carbon fibre and Alcantara but no leather.
Bentley Goes Vegan and Leather Alternatives 101 | Vegan Interior Design & Cruelty-Free Trademark
From the business side of things Elon is way ahead of the game. He caught on to this - and eliminated the leather seating in Tesla’s years ago. Maybe there were some that didn’t like that, but it hasn’t hurt the sales numbers - particularly with younger people.
I’m glad he’s innovating & sees what people want. Leather was available from Tesla when I bought my S, I purposely waited to get a non leather seat version, and had to wait longer to get one at the time. A couple of sales guys at Tesla at the time told me that it was a popular request to have non leather seats.
not surprisingly Tesla made it standard on all Tesla’s a little while later.
I have purposely factory ordered cars without leather for my own use, and love the fact that the interior looks good years on.
Porsche, Bmw, MBz all offer non leather options, and Range Rover ie the velar was launched with Leather as the “cheap” trim and the highest end trim was non- leather.
Bentley is working on pineapple ( animal free ) leathers. While others are exploring mushroom leathers. These will be expensive options to eliminate the leather.
Car enthusiasts pay extra in $500k to 2.5 million dollar Ferrari’s for the non-leather Alcantara (non animal based fabric) as a highly desired option - primarily for reasons including weight savings, and anecdotally I can say I know a couple of owners who are vegan so ordered their Ferrari’s with carbon fibre and Alcantara but no leather.
Bentley Goes Vegan and Leather Alternatives 101 | Vegan Interior Design & Cruelty-Free Trademark
From the business side of things Elon is way ahead of the game. He caught on to this - and eliminated the leather seating in Tesla’s years ago. Maybe there were some that didn’t like that, but it hasn’t hurt the sales numbers - particularly with younger people.
I’m glad he’s innovating & sees what people want. Leather was available from Tesla when I bought my S, I purposely waited to get a non leather seat version, and had to wait longer to get one at the time. A couple of sales guys at Tesla at the time told me that it was a popular request to have non leather seats.
not surprisingly Tesla made it standard on all Tesla’s a little while later.
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