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Polestar owned by Volvo which owned by Geely in normal cases however it will be owned by Tesla if it is crashed
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Polestar owned by Volvo which owned by Geely in normal cases however it will be owned by Tesla if it is crashed
US legislation does not ban monopolies.
They ban specific monopolistic behaviors. Just being good at what you do and pricing everyone out of the market is legal. Up to 100%.
Without some legislative changes it’s unlikely they will be able to do a whole lot about Tesla making stuff for 30-40% less than the other guys. Nor should they.
Probably the biggest thing they might do is try to split Superchargers from the rest of the company. Nasty, but hardly game changing at this point.
Artful Dodger
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Tesla has a uuuge 2% of the car market,
At 3% I would start worrying about malfeasance.
thesmokingman
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It's hard to even comprehend calling Tesla a monopoly when their patents are wide open. They are driving adoption, it's not their fault that that legacies ignored reality for so long and now they are behind because of their foolishness. Hell we still have Toyota's CEO spouting nonsense about EVs are bad for the world.
It was a Polestar, not a Tesla. The media did not fact check when hasty clickbait was possible.
Tesla gets wrongfully accused (initially) of Polestar 2’s crash into residential home
Meh. Don’t worry about Toyota. I’ll bet Wyoming will invite them to start a factory there.
JRP3
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76% is not a monopoly
As Google defines it:
"the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service."
"his likely motive was to protect his regional monopoly on furs"
One reason why many people, including normally well informed ones is that governments characterize regulations as 'anti-monopoly' which they are, but they act to prevent them, not dismantle them in the modern era.
In the early 20th century and late 19th there was many monopolies that developed when they used patents and other devices to dominate a business, as in Standard Oil Trust and Edison.
More recently regulators agonized over the emerging Microsoft dominance, fearful that it would become monopolistic. In that case as in almost all the others technologies changes and the purported near monopoly collapsed. Microsoft, Xerox and Kodak are examples of that.
Were you to have mentioned SpaceX that would be closer but still does not near a monopoly.
When discussing these issues accuracy and precision are crucially important.
A more nearly accurate view would be that Tesla, SpaceX and Apple each make the highest profits on operations in their respective markets today.
To have been a monopoly they would need to conquer ALL their markets and become the only producer. That will not happen ever. There are competitors and there will be. VAG, BYD, SAIC, Geely will all continue as will several others such as Hyundai/Kia, and even Mercedes Benz.
There will be mergers, there will be bankruptcies followed by revival, but no monopolies.
Chances are high that Tesla will tends towards an Apple-like situation, wherein they'll have much higher profits and premium market dominance but nothing resembling a monopoly.
thesmokingman
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Seriously?? Sometimes I don't know about you...
Is Microsoft a Monopolist? | Richard B. McKenzie, William F. Shughart II
From Capitol Hill to Silicon Valley, the computer software giant has been routinely denounced as a 'monopolist' or 'near
thesmokingman
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Poster is on vacation. Garbage posting as in this post - there is no excuse.
Dude shut up. The Fed's called MS a monopoly and almost split them until Gates made deals.
And for that, AND for bringing me out of hibernation, a ban. A lesson for all.
And had they not bailed out Apple in 1997 they would be about 99% of the market and more importantly I wouldn't have made my first millions. ;-) Microsoft was the first genuine predatory monopolist company since Standard Oil. They terrorized IBM clients to prevent adoption of the better platform OS/2.
Let's table monopoly discussions until Tesla breaks more than 10% of market share and we are all rich again.
StealthP3D
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Smoking along. It’s like watching mechanical procreation. Baby shots of our Cybertruck’s mother.
WOW! If I were an F-150 Lightning, after peeping through that window, I would wonder why my mother didn't look that hot!!
thesmokingman
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And they maintain their dominance now by giving away their OS for free, so nutty. It's like a reach around.
This is the one where it was claimed that when the incorrect car was reported to the MSN, they responded by removing the pic, but leaving the headline:
thesmokingman
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Just make that matt silver they showed at reveal available, orders would to ballistic, loads of existing M3 owners would flip for that...
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