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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Read the footnote for the table
Data is from OICA. [International Organization of Motor Vehicle Manufacturers]
[Tesla mapped their products onto the data]
JRP3
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We know the Cybertruck will have a larger pack than 100 so those numbers are approximate. I suppose the 300 mile range Cybertruck could have a 100kWh pack.
Legislation:
QUALIFYING BATTERY COMPONENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘qualifying battery component’ means any of the following:
(i) Electrode active materials.
(ii) Battery cells.
(iii) Battery modules.
The linked Treasury document, emphasis added:
Battery components would include, but not be limited to, a cathode electrode, anode electrode, solid metal electrode, separator, liquid electrolyte, solid state electrolyte, battery cell, and battery module.
But I haven't read the Treasury document in its entirety.
Not necessarily, read the footnote. This is OICA data that Tesla mapped their vehicles onto.
Just above the section you quoted is:
The term “battery” would not include items such as thermal management systems or other parts of a battery cell or module that do not directly contribute to the electrochemical storage of energy within the battery, such as battery cell cases, cans, or pouches.
Also:
Battery components would include any piece of the assembled battery cell that contribute to electrochemical energy storage.
I interpret this to mean that anything that doesn't contribute directly to storing energy, including the cell cans and all parts of the battery besides the cells, are not part of the "battery" for the purpose of the battery components requirement. Modules would just be the jellyrolls and electrolyte for multiple cells.
GSP
interesting that they use such a specific number, 53, for the compact, rather than 55
Good point, this redefinition stuff is part of why I didn't make it through the whole document.
The Treasury doc doesn't appear to modify "battery module" though. If only cell pieces are valid, then "battery module" is meaningless.
Since the cell can is necessary for electrical function, it may be included.
JusRelax
Active Member
It's not Tesla's number. OICA made it.
That sinking sound is Proterra's stock. Closed at $1.27
What is OICA? I couldn't find that one in the FAQ
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
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MP3 - Approx 100kwh battery.
What’s more interesting to me is the planned Residential, Commercial heat pump / hvac products!! What is the potential value/revenue generated from these products!?!
EPA testing of 500miles ~ 380 miles of real driving. Half it if towing.
We need moar superchargers, we need so many that we get bored of them. No need to beat GM Hummer in battery capacity.
Me thinks that less that 10% of CT users will do towing often.
We need moar superchargers, we need so many that we get bored of them. No need to beat GM Hummer in battery capacity.
Me thinks that less that 10% of CT users will do towing often.
bkp_duke
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Thanks, Lodger, although I don’t think my post was that profound. I have to admit, though, it does read better after you organized it.
I do, however, take issue with your “dark forces” comment. There are no “dark forces,” it’s just men making money, lusting after power, being greedy and envious and prideful. Nobody here is any different, we just can’t exercise the kind of power our rulers do; if we could we would, most of us anyway. I would, that’s for sure. To call conflicts-of-interest and financially-incentivized behavior “dark forces” gives the illusion the problem is intangible and insoluble. It isn’t. There are no ghosts lurking in the shadows, no maleficent goblins, just greedy, poor, opportunistic trailer-trash kids, like me, trying to survive and who want to be stinkin’ rich RIGHT NOW. And then, for those really ambitious individuals, like Elon, after a certain amount of wealth is built one can use their imagination to shape the future as they want it to be shaped.
As investors we don’t need a moral compass, or to follow the science (because science is also a function of money), we just need to FOLLOW THE MONEY, the money that flows into our financial institutions, the judicial system, scientific bureaucracies, the culture industry, academia, medical centers, government and pay-to-play corporate media. This is the only game that matters (if you want to win in the stock market anyway). We still live in the jungle, and the rules of the jungle still apply, kill or be killed, predator vs prey, a world where you are either eating or being eaten. That’s all. Those who are responsible for their own businesses and have to deal with customers, local/state/federal regulations and politicians, taxation, etc, know this in their marrow. In our own ways, we are all fighting our own little personal mob wars, life is tough for all of us, even for those at the top. No dark forces needed. Just humans fighting other humans and trying to get all we can before we die. Not really that complicated.
"Show me the incentive, and I'll show you the outcome." --Charles Munger
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