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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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GhostSkater
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“Hi, this is Jack from MSM FUD inducing council
I’m proud to report that the work has been having stellar results
Keep the great work team”
I’m proud to report that the work has been having stellar results
Keep the great work team”
GhostSkater
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Actually they were
It was a new vehicle, a completely new way to build a pack for Tesla and a brand new cells from Panasonic
Yes, less radical change than 4680s, but still
Wasn't there some Tesla employee (or contractor?) that was "giddy" about 4680 recently?
Giddy on this would be to find out that all the one's sold will be capable of some amazing charging speeds and/or added range.
Encouraged or excited would be the word for it's getting solved but...
Right, hence my phrase "all new cell designs in an all new vehicle"... the S/X were minor refreshes of an existing platform and an update to a long-used existing cell design.
We are in new territory for 4680's in the CT.
FEERSUMENDJIN
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Hundreds of other tech stocks have not recovered from that 21/22 peak. Nothing to do with EVs. Look at Cathie Woods holdings.
FEERSUMENDJIN
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The first LiFe model 3s from China had a really sucky charge profile on introduction. Tesla will optimise this.
GhostSkater
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The issue we have is that Tesla always improve charging curve as time go on
But we also have the 4680 Model Y which is one of the worst charging EVs and it hasn’t seen a improvement in months now
So we are on the 50/50 territory, maybe 30/70 with Lars comments that it will charge faster
Interesting. “Guarantee” really does not apply, although “reduced risk” might.The post in which mongo goes off-brand (and I've taken so long to write this it looks like a pile on, which it's not meant to be)
You can lose just as much money holding as with options. It's all in position size/ risk.
Call it paper gains, but for those with tax deferred accounts, 400 to 180 is a pure >50% loss, just as much as selling all stock, putting half one's cash into options, and having them expire worthless would be. Holding is rebuying in place without taxes.
If TSLA goes $100 again and stays there, if FSD doesn't pay off in the next X years, if, if, if, will our depleted accounts be any better having had stock losses vs option losses? Will Martin send us Christmas cards?
Say TSLA goes up. Holding is still just "paper gains". The only return on investment comes from selling shares (unless dividend). Curt was smart, took some gains, bought a house. Seriously, kudos to him.
*not advice*
Via selling call options, one can take a route that has two outcomes:
1. Stock stays below the strike price: one pockets the option premium and can use it to buy more TSLA or dinner
2. Stock goes above the strike: well, you have the premium, but you've also sold shares at a lower price than you could have. Guess what? That's already true, and there is nothing to show for it.
Illustrative example, *not advise*
Want to guarantee 5%(ish) return for the next two years? Sell 340 strikes for Jan 2026. Roughly 10% cash return today. Total returns capped at 94% over two years. Is that worse than holding if the stock goes above $380 (adjusting for 10% cost of living sales)? Sure, but it's better than just holding if the stock is under that price. Both hold and sold calls are vad choices if TSLA is down more than 10% at that point.
Just ask @mongo how many absolutes there are.
For context most of those Tesla employees allegedly bought on margin and/or bought unspecified options.
Equating Tulip mania with Tesla mania must be the funniest comparison of the year, maybe even twelve months. Obviously you read Charles Mackay but maybe forgot the bit about 'delusions'. Being an overly enthusiastic investor in a thriving company is not really delusional. Nor would it be delusional or hysterical to be convinced Tesla is overpriced and doomed to lose to more powerful and well-placed manufacturers.
In this forum there is room for vast differences in expectations for our securities. Luckily we are not entirely of common mind or opinion. Intelligent discourse is an excellent basis for learning. This I am happy many disagree with opinions I hold.
If I find new information that disproves my opinions, I change my opinions. Hopefully most of us do that.
I really wonder if, in today's world it makes any material difference how Elon feels about any given thing other than advancing the Tesla mission. I know I disagree with many of his stated views. Rationally, is that any of my business?
On another topic, FUD does definitely harm Tesla, therefore harms my financial condition.
Luckily you are not negative.
Then you will have become the singular god, not just one of a pantheon of gods.
If anyone wants to cheer up, read up some tweets by Tesla Economist Emotionist.
Total mental breakdown.
Total mental breakdown.
GhostSkater
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Since we are talking charging curve improvements, take a look at this since I don't think many people know, they keep tabs on charge curves for many if not all software versions, the naming of each model is a bit of a mess and I think they get the peak across all session because some numbers doesn't make much sense
For example, here in a Model 3 LR it shows in software 2023.20 maintaining over 250 kW for more than 30% SoC, don't think I ever saw that in a documented charging session other than when Tesla had unveiled Supercharger V3 which they latter dialed back due to excessive degradation
Model Y with Blade battery supports that they get the peak across multiple sessions, because it will peak at maximum power even at high SoC, but quickly will ramp down. You won't ever have it maintaining 180 kW from 0 to 85%, else it would be Taycan go home
For example, here in a Model 3 LR it shows in software 2023.20 maintaining over 250 kW for more than 30% SoC, don't think I ever saw that in a documented charging session other than when Tesla had unveiled Supercharger V3 which they latter dialed back due to excessive degradation
Model Y with Blade battery supports that they get the peak across multiple sessions, because it will peak at maximum power even at high SoC, but quickly will ramp down. You won't ever have it maintaining 180 kW from 0 to 85%, else it would be Taycan go home
I got blocked from the guy after pointing out Elon's compensation plan required certain EBITDA and length of time frame of marketcap to be sustained when he claimed Elon pumped the stock with a bunch of false promises that didn't materialized just to trigger his compensation package.
The guy is full blown Tslaq. I do hate these TslaQ the most but they once were pretty informative.
It's kind of sad so many helpful people have gone TslaQ purposely spreading BS.
Certainly they didn't just wake up one morning and decide to flip and start working for big oil.
Exactly what is their incentive, whose playbook are they following and where can we get a copy to peruse?
I don't know...seems like this is how some people deal with their frustrations. KarenRei is a good example, Fred is another, then there's Frunkpuppy. After the feud about blue check marks, Jerryrigeverything also goes on long Tesla rants.
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Me thinks losing a *sugar* ton of $$ gambling could be one of the main driving factors in turning.
Drumheller
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He played with options and lost a significant amount of his father's money. That was a year or so ago.
Maybe he played with options again, I don't know. There does seem to be a lack of personal accountability.
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