Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[DarkandStormy]

Shouldn’t German production be going “balls to the wall” to make up for two weeks shutdown during the arson event?

Piling up inventory is not good. They'll continue to scuttle production here and there so that supply drops more in line with demand, imo.

 

[Singuy]

Wait, don't tell me - was it Reuters reporting this story?

Yes, and it's a rehash story at that. They are annoying AF. It even says in the article "we reported this criminal charge Oct 2022".

 

[Ellec]

Yes, and it's a rehash story at that. They are annoying AF. It even says in the article "we reported this criminal charge Oct 2022".

Let me guess does the story come from "Unnamed Sources"? Shorts will try every trick in the book to keep the stock down, Im pleased as I can buy more and more at low low prices

 

[jerryfan2000]

Any idea whats the bad news this morning? Nearly -4% in PM.

 

[SarahsDad]

Robyn selling again? Form 4 came out last night.

SEC FORM 4

 

[JusRelax]

Robyn selling again? Form 4 came out last night.

SEC FORM 4

This was according to her planned sales, from October 23, 2023, directly from the Form 4:

"1. The transactions reported on this Form 4 were automatically effected pursuant to a Rule 10b5-1 trading plan previously adopted on October 23, 2023 and established by the reporting person for the purpose of an orderly liquidation of options scheduled to expire in 2024."

 

[Mengy]

Any idea whats the bad news this morning? Nearly -4% in PM.

Most of the market is down this morning, I think TSLA is just following its trend of almost always going down more than most other stocks.

 

[Singuy]

Any idea whats the bad news this morning? Nearly -4% in PM.

We have been talking about it the past few post.

 

[Mike Smith]

All the Reuters article says is that they're looking for fraud (which we already knew) and that they haven't found any. I think the market will figure this one out pretty quick.

 

[tslagreen]

Yes, and it's a rehash story at that. They are annoying AF. It even says in the article "we reported this criminal charge Oct 2022".

Every time I see a Reuters story I think of the famous Jim Cramer video and how hedgies and others attempt to manipulate media outlets and other sources to affect stock prices. Somebody should investigate Reuters with their anonymous sources and undue influence.

 

[advocate8]

I have been on this thread for a while and have read every post for years. I posted here for a while until the mods complained about the number of posts and said not to post unless there was new information to share. I stopped posting so I would not add to the growing number of posts. I thought I was doing my part to be helpful and compliant.

I learned so much from some of the excellent participants on this forum that have come and gone. This used to be the place to go to get facts about Tesla and TSLA. I truly enjoyed spending hours each day reading every post and contemplating long term investor strategy. I made it a point to leave feedback as my way of participating.

I am sad to say that I will no longer be reading this thread. It has turned into a safe haven for traders, shorts, and trolls. Mod policies support this. It is no longer worth the time to wade through post after post of negativity and complaints about Elon. The same nonsensical posts over and over again by the same traders, shorts, and trolls. It’s too bad because I miss the thread this used to be. I will also no longer financially support TMC.

Wish all of the friends I have made here the very best. Let me know if this thread ever becomes useful again.

It’s also true that for many the thread had been an unwelcoming place for years and many who COULD have contributed took one look and scrammed. This was sometimes marveled at on other TMC threads more tightly focussed on specific Tesla topics, like I dunno, something technical with Model Ys, battery stuff, whatever. People just shaking their heads and describing an atmosphere like walking into McDonalds and seeing the only available table was beside four Old Regular codgers saying the same pissy stuff to each other they do every morning.

If someone uses the disapproval thumbs down as a primary means of expression, and they trade daily in conspiracy theories and endless talk of FUD and shorts and being quick on the draw with labelling “trolls” it’s hard to see how they are making the discourse worth diving into.
Think about the MODs and how much of that they have had to deal with not just every day but often every hour, and what that would do to you to have to marinate in it like that.

 

[SarahsDad]

Every time I see a Reuters story I think of the famous Jim Cramer video and how hedgies and others attempt to manipulate media outlets and other sources to affect stock prices. Somebody should investigate Reuters with their anonymous sources and undue influence.

And strangely Cramer was vocally defending Tesla against the Reuters story on CNBC just now.

 

[Singuy]

All the Reuters article says is that they're looking for fraud (which we already knew) and that they haven't found any. I think the market will figure this one out pretty quick.

Yeah it was a "nothing to report from a story from 2022 because Tesla gave them a bunch of documents to sniff through". They should be investigated for insider trading.

 

[Ellec]

It’s also true that for many the thread had been an unwelcoming place for years and many who COULD have contributed took one look and scrammed. This was sometimes marveled at on other TMC threads more tightly focussed on specific Tesla topics, like I dunno, something technical with Model Ys, battery stuff, whatever. People just shaking their heads and describing an atmosphere like walking into McDonalds and seeing the only available table was beside four Old Regular codgers saying the same pissy stuff to each other they do every morning.

If someone uses the disapproval thumbs down as a primary means of expression, and they trade daily in conspiracy theories and endless talk of FUD and shorts and being quick on the draw with labelling “trolls” it’s hard to see how they are making the discourse worth diving into.
Think about the MODs and how much of that they have had to deal with not just every day but often every hour, and what that would do to you to have to marinate in it like that.

Never seen anyone say that before, got any examples?

What I have seen recently is lots of really good contributors leaving the thread due to the incessant negative FUD being posted then users trying to argue against it when it's clear the person is just posting any old negative story with no checking. Used to be dealt with better, wondering if there has been a change in the people doing the moderation or someone has an agenda, no idea just very strange.

If you think there are no Trolls on here then I've got a bridge to sell ya!

 

[M|S|M MYP]

All the Reuters article says is that they're looking for fraud (which we already knew) and that they haven't found any. I think the market will figure this one out pretty quick.

I will go with "NO ACTION" on this one.

 

[Mike Smith]

From Reuters 2022 article:
'As part of the latest probe, Justice Department prosecutors in Washington and San Francisco are examining whether Tesla misled consumers, investors and regulators by making unsupported claims about its driver assistance technology's capabilities, the sources said.'

So they were looking for fraud. Now Reuters has given us an update on the situation - what they're looking for is fraud.

TSLA down 3.5% on the news.

 

[2daMoon]

And strangely Cramer was vocally defending Tesla against the Reuters story on CNBC just now.

That isn't so strange, as his video demonstrated his intimate familiarity with these mechanisms employed by the manipulators.

Cramer has expertise gathered from years in the trenches that can be applied in identifying this very behavior. Despite him being a bit of a goofball at times.

The very fact that he released that video indicated to me how he feels those tactics are detrimental to the market, and to society as a whole.

Profit-mongers destroy useful companies just because they cannot envision how their short-term greed negatively affects how long-term benefits are brought to the world.

 

[advocate8]

Never seen anyone say that before, got any examples?

What I have seen recently is lots of really good contributors leaving the thread due to the incessant negative FUD being posted then users trying to argue against it when it's clear the person is just posting any old negative story with no checking. Used to be dealt with better, wondering if there has been a change in the people doing the moderation or someone has an agenda, no idea just very strange.

If you think there are no Trolls on here then I've got a bridge to sell ya!

I didn’t say there weren’t trolls, just that people are quick to label. Fair enough on some of the reposts being not particularly useful. That is partly due to the BS nature of the second-tier media and major influencers hyping tiny little balls of nothing to get eyeballs or because they need content, any content, on a slow day. And no, I’m not going back through a few thousand pages of other threads to pick out the four or five I’ve seen. But it is a real sentiment and frankly understandable.

 

[Ellec]

I didn’t say there weren’t trolls, just that people are quick to label. Fair enough on some of the reposts being not particularly useful. That is partly due to the BS nature of the second-tier media and major influencers hyping tiny little balls of nothing to get eyeballs or because they need content, any content, on a slow day.

Yes I think you are correct not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, by labelling anyone who post anything that's not Uber Bullish as a troll. I have been guilty of that to some extent but will be more attentive going forward.

 

[replicant]

It would go a long way if Elon would just give an example of something it does in the latest version that would blow one’s mind instead of the vague statement.

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