Cybertruck with only basic Traffic aware cruise control far exceeds the Adaptive Cruise on our Explorer which won't slow below 20 MPH. Add in some lane keeping and I'm happy.
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Reposting...for posterityha. right. 2023. losing my mind today! thanks. deleted my post.
If that's your stance, then you would be overlooking the most important factor in improvement of autonomous vehicle software: Real world video data. It matters greatly when it comes to pace of innovation.
Not that the humans attend much in the first place. So will it eventually be able to tell if the driver is drunk or stoned? (Ah, so that's why they want me to take off my sunglasses. )Human attentiveness is paramount until L4 is proven out
The bottleneck for Autonomy is real world video data. Tesla has more of it. It's not theory.That is certainly one theory.
You keep insisting that just because you call them "L2" it means they are equivalent.No, you have not.
You keep insisting they exist without explaining how.
I did.
They both work anywhere in their respective places, and provide L2 door to door on city streets.
FUNCTIONALLY they do the same things with the same ODDs.
Thus they are comparable, despite your insisting, without any justification, otherwise.
Not comparable in what way? By what measurement?
Can you provide links to these things you have read?
It sort of is theory, but it's a theory that seems to have been proven for now.The bottleneck for Autonomy is real world video data. Tesla has more of it. It's not theory.
But we're talking present day capabilities-- the OP claiming nothing TODAY was comparable to V12 TODAY and that just ain't so.
You keep insisting that just because you call them "L2" it means they are equivalent.
You keep stating that there are other systems comparable to FSD v12, so what are they?
The bottleneck for Autonomy is real world video data. Tesla has more of it. It's not theory.
This article contain a quotes from XPeng about their "Infinite XNGP", which is their "go anywhere" system. It was first announced on February 29th of this year. So it's quite new.Can you provide links to these things you have read?
This sounds like they have taken a similar approach to what Tesla did before V12. I will admit that something could have been lost in translation. So if you have evidence that XPeng's system is end-to-end rather than utilizing heuristics, please post it.Moreover, in areas without HD map coverage, XPENG's XNGP system utilizes a combination of "navigation maps + XNet perception capabilities + driving strategies" to deliver performance comparable to that in areas covered by HD maps.
Yes I have. They do not provide comparable performance because the XPeng system is using inferior technology.YOU have yet to explain how they're not comparable.
This article contain a quotes from XPeng about their "Infinite XNGP", which is their "go anywhere" system. It was first announced on February 29th of this year. So it's quite new.
Here is the quote:
This sounds like they have taken a similar approach to what Tesla did before V12. I will admit that something could have been lost in translation. So if you have evidence that XPeng's system is end-to-end rather than utilizing heuristics, please post it.
Yes I have. They do not provide comparable performance because the XPeng system is using inferior technology.
Again, if you have evidence to the contrary, please post it.
FSD V12 proves that an end-to-end system will provide superior performance to systems that use heuristics.
concur the lack of lane keeping is an issue ... but with the number of people driving the adjacent lane doing 70 mph and snapping photos of the CT agility to get out of the way is critical... the amount of love this truck is getting is mind blowing .... went by an intermediate school today past eh school yard during gym class and i could hear the kids screaming Cybertruuuuck!!!!Cybertruck with only basic Traffic aware cruise control far exceeds the Adaptive Cruise on our Explorer which won't slow below 20 MPH. Add in some lane keeping and I'm happy.
I have never claimed that XPeng's system does not exist. I have claimed it is not comparable to FSD V12. And unless XPeng has made some AI breakthrough that nobody here knows about, I am absolutely correct.Sure.
But at least 3 times since Feb 29 you've claimed it doesn't exist (that there's no go-anywhere city streets system from anyone other than Tesla) and each time I've corrected you.
Why keep repeating an untrue claim?
That is certainly one theory.
However Xpeng somehow managed to produce a comparable system anyway, in vastly less time and with vastly less data.
Note that doesn't mean getting BEYOND L2 is equally likely for both...It's possible the need for massive quantities of such data is crucial for say L4 driving but much less so at L2.
But we're talking present day capabilities-- the OP claiming nothing TODAY was comparable to V12 TODAY and that just ain't so.
You keep stating that there are other systems comparable to FSD v12, so what are they? And no not in the technical ratings of said systems, I mean in real world driving experience, what other driving assistance system is comparable to Tesla FSD v12? Because I'm not aware of any such thing, not even from China?
Yes, and the engineer who did it had to pay damages to Tesla. It is still not known for sure if XPeng actually received or used the stolen data.I don't know the details of the case, and I am far too dumb to understand the implications...but isn't Xpeng the company that may have received stolen autopilot code from Tesla back in 2019?
Thoughts about that definitely come to mind for me when I see a statement like "Xpeng somehow managed to produce a comparable system...in vastly less time and with vastly less data."
I have never claimed that XPeng's system does not exist. I have claimed it is not comparable to FSD V12. And unless XPeng has made some AI breakthrough that nobody here knows about, I am absolutely correct.