The Cybertruck is more expensive to supercharge than a Ford F-150 costs in gas

[coleAK]

Grow your own food. Make your own clothing. Never buy anything that ever touched petroleum. Keep away from seed oils. Meet your local butcher and rancher. Never own another car. Stop buying fancy computer devices. Never pay for or use trash service since you make zero waste. Blahblahblah.

It’s always someone that wants to take the “zomg I’m saving the planet because these other ‘morons’ are causing the problem. And I’m SMRTR than everyone else so I can fix it and make them fix it too, because internet!”

Oh tsla pilot. Your entertaining stance on how the world could be magically fixed is awesome, keep smoking what you’re smoking.

With bikes I was referring to daily transportation. The other things you mention are irrelevant to a car discussion.

For the food topics, between harvesting our own: salmon, halibut, trout, caribou, grouse, ptarmigan, duck, goose, and a moose every other year. I’m sure I've bought meat from the store <10 times in the last 5 years.

 

[coleAK]

Interesting take.

Ethanol fuels, bio diesel. Corn from the USA being turned into everything. Mmm subsidies.

CA makes most of their fuel in state.

They make the fuel in state (refineries). But >50% of their cruise oil comes from the Middle East.

Annual Oil Supply Sources To California Refineries

www.energy.ca.gov

 

[vegetaban]

Wilderness Lodge and Coronado Springs were the only resorts that had chargers per plugshare. It was the same distance to drive to a SC.

We didn't drive our car to the parks.

Riviera also has them as well as Disney springs. The major parks do as well, but people abuse them and stay plugged in without charging. So those are useless.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

This is just in. The latest survey of US truck owners for the first time highlighted the importance of fuel and tire consumption as top of mind factors influencing their truck choice. This is in clear contrast to the historically unapologetic truck preference purely on emotional and illogical factors such as brand, familiarity, and the all important decision driver of “well, my papa taught me to drive in his favorite fill-in-the-blank-brand truck”. With cost as the key driver, consumers are finally waking up and pressuring their representatives to remove the “chicken tax” that has insulated the big 3 from real competition since 1964. No longer protected from high tariffs, the cartel can no longer overcharge for products designed toward decades-old features and mfg. tolerance standards.

I don’t know what the chicken tax is, but I like cartel disruption in all forms.

Would you consider that carbon credits impact competition too and insulate a new emerging cartel? The carbon credit cartel also negatively impacts product capabilities?

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/teslas-crafty-move-carbon-credits-the-extender-gvwr-and-payload.10318/

 

[ChiefRollo]

I’m not surprised. Few know of the chicken tax, particularly those who so proudly wear the great American trucks as the symbol of American pride, one that has been the direct result of that which is most un-American act of all (as the global leader of capitalism and free enterprise), Protectionism. Why do you think it has been the greatest profit-maker segment…feeding the biggest advertising budgets over the last 5 decades…to inform us all of the great American trucks.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

I thought you were making a joke, but here it is.. Chicken tax - Wikipedia

 

[buckets0fun]

American trucks as the symbol of American pride

I was wondering when you’d mention Harley Davidson and their sadness about not being able to make bikes that compete.

Or MBZ with the push for the ‘25 year law’.

 

[EVNow]

That's insane. We pay .05/kwh at home.

Coal powered electricity is cheap.

We pay 10 cents for mostly hydro.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Coal powered electricity is cheap.

We pay 10 cents for mostly hydro.

We have hydro, Nuclear, and Coal. Only 5% coal, 40% renewable.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

We have hydro, Nuclear, and Coal. Only 5% coal, 40% renewable.

Here's a cool chart that shows all the products in SC, just like Virginia if you didnt have carbon products and nuke you would be freezing right now. In VA 84% of our NG comes from coal beds.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Here's a cool chart that shows all the products in SC:

View attachment 1009090

Right, but MCEC sends their individual power allocation to us each year. Last year it was 5% coal.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

Right, but MCEC sends their individual power allocation to us each year. Last year it was 5% coal.

I think I posted the wrong chart, the one above is all energy, not just electric generation. Here is just electric generation:

 

[uscbucsfan]

I think I posted the wrong chart, the one above is all energy, not just electric generation. Here is just electric generation:

View attachment 1009102

We live right by Lake Murray which is hydro electric and steam and pretty close close to VC Summer. Our Coop mostly gets power from those two with natural gas as well.

 

[Big Earl]

Interesting take.

Ethanol fuels, bio diesel. Corn from the USA being turned into everything. Mmm subsidies.

CA makes most of their fuel in state.

Speaking of monocrop farming, not to mention the enormous water consumption.

 

[EVNow]

We have hydro, Nuclear, and Coal. Only 5% coal, 40% renewable.

Oh - you have nuke nearby ? That changes the equation.

I hope the nuke industry actually starts producing gen 5 nukes instead of just talking about it.

 

[EVNow]

No one bought and EV to save the world. The ones that did are long gone.. it’s hilarious when I people post about “saving” anything.

Almost like “best car I’ve ever driven” and then get pissed off when AP or FSD don’t work

Nah .. we are all still around

 

[buckets0fun]

Speaking of monocrop farming, not to mention the enormous water consumption.

Almonds? Yeah they’re the worst. Avocados? yep.. horrid water consumption.

Corn for food, feed, fuel?

 

[Earl]

Almonds? Yeah they’re the worst. Avocados? yep.. horrid water consumption.

Corn for food, feed, fuel?

It's the rice paddies that bother me the most in CA - if they are still around.

You can't blame the corn on CA though.

 

[buckets0fun]

It's the rice paddies that bother me the most in CA - if they are still around.

You can't blame the corn on CA though.

The ones that are owned by China? Or the port that they ship out of, that’s also owned by China?

No one said corn was CA, let’s not assume

 

[blue y]

BEV trucks going mainstream is going to require way more expensive gas I think at this point. While I highly doubt many 3.5l ecoboost owners are going to get 24mpg combined in daily use, I know I don't, today it's easily worth any energy cost premium for the capability of gas. I still do most of my daily driving in a BEV, but my ICE f150 isn't going anywhere and I'd replace it with another one today if I had to. It's not even close comparing the convenience of a 36g tank to even a MYLR when you're doing trips, traveling rural, and doing more than commuting within a 100 mile or so radius. The charging performance and infrastructure just isn't there and the cost to buy isn't even that close either on the trucks. I just can't see anyone using the trucks for work as either a contractor, a weekend boater, RV puller, or just someone who just likes to go camping in rural places finding a BEV truck at their current prices that compelling when you really look at the data. A shop truck that stays local and is plugged in every night and never needs DCFC, maybe IF it can meet the 99% daily use case.

YMMV, plenty are buying BEVs anyway and gas trucks aren't going away, but I think with the underwhelming range/charging/usability performance of especially the CT, it just doesn't make a lot of sense and I don't see that changing in the near future. I was hoping Tesla would show the rest of the industry how it's done and instead they unveiled all the features truck owners, at least those like me, don't care that much about (48v, sbw, exo/unibody/whatever, gimmicky styling, not even a ****ing spare tire location, etc, etc) and underperformed on the thing Tesla is known to be best at in the industry, charging and efficiency to create a usable practical compelling product, despite the "elonisms" of their vehicles. The miles added at 20-25 minutes of charging is still a joke imo. I'm glad they made it, but what a disappointment so far. But hey, if you live in Cali with lots of infrastructure and want it as a cool commuter you can do errands in and haul things around in, great, go for it.

Gas goes to $7+ a gallon (which doesn't feel that far off in the right political environment), we'll talk.