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Trading in 2018 X75D for Raven Perf X - Compare/Contrast

turtlesz

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One of the main reasons I got the X over the S or 3 was practicality. It isn't often, but there have been times where I have had to borrow my brother's Model S to do stuff like when I bought a 75" TV. Wouldn't fit in my X because of the bucket seats, but fit easily in the S. With fold down seats, all has been solved and the back is wonderfully cavernous.

You got a 75 inch tv to fit in a model S??? I could barely get a 65 inch LG OLED w/ box in a Model X 7 seat w/ seats down. Which tv model was it? Thats pretty incredible.
 

Saghost

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Got a 7 seater X with the bench and it’s good to know you can carry people and fold it flat and carry if/when you need to. Best combo, I think. But it’s a bit of personal preference.

Tough choice. I made the same choice you did, because I don't carry a lot of people very often.

But the 6 seat really opens up the middle of the car, making the third row much more pleasant and less isolated, and leaving a space in the middle that's perfect for a fridge or big cooler on trips.

If they'd offered the 6 with foldable or removable middle row seats, I'd probably have gone that way instead.
 

mswlogo

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Hello All - I promised to update my original post once I took delivery of my Raven Perf X, so here goes (updates in Italics)

I have benefited tremendously from the time others have taken in sharing their experiences and stories, so I thought I would pay it back a bit.

In June 2018, I bought a Model X 75D, 6 seater, FSD, center console, 22” rims. I fell in love with this car almost instantly. If I had any regret after driving the car for a little while, it was that I wish I had bought the 100D for more range, as well as did the 5 or 7 seater for folding seat convenience. My X75D currently has about 23k miles on it.

Poor financial decisions aside… I have decided to order a new Model X Perf Raven, 5 seater, 20” standard rims - should arrive by the end of August. My test drive confirmed the new suspension is incredible (almost as good as my wife’s XC90 T8 which is a 10 out of 10 in comfort), the car is quick (audible front wheel slippage on heavy acceleration) both at launch and when floored at 60, and the efficiency is TBD.

In an effort to help others, here are a few areas I thought would be worth touching on, which I will update when I receive my new Raven.

Range

Note: I drive spiritedly but responsible. I have two kids under two, so lots of my driving is rational. However, I drive 30 miles to and from work (60 round trip) every weekday, and enjoy launches and high levels of acceleration when possible. Much of my commute is around 80mph because when you live in Chicago, you get after it when you can. I have a HPWC at home but LOVE to use SuperChargers when I can. I do realize that the cost of charging at home is minimal, but something about getting “free juice” is very appealing.

X75D: I became obsessed with my efficiency, not because I want to save the planet as quickly as possible, but rather because I found that my driving habits were the most crucial factor when achieving range. My X75D has a lifetime efficiency of about 380 wh/mi, or roughly 180-190 miles per charge (I have never taken my car to 0 miles remaining as the idea terrifies me). I live in Chicago, so the winter certainly brought my lifetime range higher than most. This summer, my average has been about 355 wh/mi. However, one morning I hit the road early to get to work (5am) and decided it was a good opportunity to see how efficient I could be since I knew there would be little traffic. To my surprise, AC on Level 1 and driving around 65, I was able to achieve 290 wh/mi.

Raven: TBD - I did order my Raven with 20” standard rims. I ordered Matte Black Arachnids from Tsportsline that will fit the stock tires. I am hopeful I will be able to achieve the ~305mi range going this route, and will report back when I have some data.

WOW. I only have 200 miles on my car now, but oh my god is the range a vast improvement. It is clear when doing either 40mph or 70mph, the car just isn't exerting as much effort to maintain the speed. See the picture below where I did a 44.3 mile trip - this was both highway @ 80mph as well as stop-and-go through suburbs. To accomplish 280wh/mi is insane. Perhaps, it's ludicrous. During this trip, there were 4 of us in the car (two kids) and a trunk full of stuff, A/C on, in Luda mode. I can't wait to further test the efficiency of this car. Based upon my recent driving, the total range for this car may be 350mi+ in normal driving conditions. My X75D was closer to 180mi, so my Raven may be close to doubling my X75D. This is no joke.

My "Since Last Charge" efficiency does not look quite as good... let's just say, there was some "testing" I needed to do when my kids weren't in the car. My "Trip A" is even worse as this is the total efficiency since mile 0, which many folks may remember, the first few miles while in Tesla's hands are around 2,000wh/mi, making the overall picture look worse than it actually is. This will regulate shortly, but I tracked my X75D over it's lifetime (380wh/mi) and would like to do the same with my Raven.

Note: I have not had my new Tsportline rims installed yet; that happens Thursday and I will update if there is a difference, which I suspect there will not be as many folks have commented on tires being the largest driver of range (outside of driving habits, of course).


Shudder

X75D: I noticed the shudder first during the winter of 2018. It was nasty sounding and made me feel like I was breaking the car under heavy acceleration. I took my car into the shop. They said they would order new half shafts for me to replace the issue. I didn’t hear anything for a month, called Tesla, and they said they had no idea what I was talking about. Instead of fighting the issue, I just lived with it. This summer, the shudder has gone away completely in my X75D. I have a feeling it would return when it is cold out, but I will not have the car to find out.

Raven: TBD - nothing noticed during the test drive.

No shudder present. Multiple launches from 0, and only tire slippage is noticed (this thing is fast!).

SuperCharging

X75D: I have become quite skilled at SuperCharging when on road trips, maximizing speed vs. time at SuperCharger, etc. After the recent update to the V2 SuperChargers, I have been able to get up to 127kw @ over 400mph while charging. This is certainly an upgrade from the slower speeds I was used to. Being in Chicago, I will not be able to comment on V3 SuperChargers for quite some time. I am eager to test the Raven on a V2, however.

Raven: TBD

Still TBD. Will update when I get a chance to use a 150kw SuperCharger.

Other items:

If there is a substantial difference in AP, Enhanced Summon etc., I will post on it.

One interesting item I haven't seen anyone comment on is that my Raven has the second regen brake on the rear calipers (picture below). My 2018 X75D did not have this. In terms of feeling, there is no noticeable difference. I am not sure why Tesla brought this back, but would appreciate insights from someone smarter than me.

I didn't have my car pre-loaded with FSD - I waited to pay for it post-delivery so I could buy it on my CC and get the miles. I was sitting in the car while I ordered FSD on my phone. As soon as I hit "Purchase" on my phone, the car went dead. It was very strange. I then did a hard restart, and the car came back on, now with FSD. One on hand, the shut off was concerning. On the other, super cool that FSD came to my car that fast.

I am happy to answer any additional questions folks have. In a nutshell, this car is substantially better than my X75D. I am so happy I made the decision to upgrade. What excites me as well is that for folks new to Tesla who buy a Raven as their first EV, they will be hooked for life!

If the big reason for upgrading was range. Why cripple your range and efficiency with a performance. Another bad financial decision?
 

Saghost

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If the big reason for upgrading was range. Why cripple your range and efficiency with a performance. Another bad financial decision?

Cripple seems like quite an exaggeration. Tesla rates it as a 20 mile difference. And I think that's exaggerated, actually.

My Ludicrous Raven is averaging a good seven percent less electricity per mile than my 2016 X75D did. That's in spite of my rated miles being based on 320 Wh per mile in the Raven vs 308 in the 75.

I don't know how hard it is to hit rated in a LR Raven, but in my Performance Raven it is much, much easier to hit than it is in the 2016s.
 

Saghost

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The 100d carries a 7% penalty over the 75d. If the new raven is 7% better than your old 75, then the actual difference is much greater

Exactly my point. Raven efficiency has to be seen to be believed. It isn't quite on a par with a Model 3 - but this car is 25% heavier and much larger in all directions.
 

spectrum

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One interesting item I haven't seen anyone comment on is that my Raven has the second regen brake on the rear calipers (picture below). My 2018 X75D did not have this. In terms of feeling, there is no noticeable difference. I am not sure why Tesla brought this back, but would appreciate insights from someone smarter than me.

Thanks for the write up! I have an August 2018 X 100D with 22" rims and have been considering getting a Raven, so your insights are useful!
  1. That is not a regen brake. It's a parking brake.
  2. On regular Teslas (non-Performance), the parking brake is integrated into the rear caliper. On Performance Teslas (with red brakes), the rear brakes are from a different manufacturer, and are better. They have a second caliper dedicated solely to the parking brake.
  3. Some of your differences had to do with switching from 22" to 20" rims, and also switching from 75D to a P100D ("Raven Performance"). I'd be a little more aware of these things as well. Not all changes are Pre-Raven to Raven :)
 
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Mcstatic

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You got a 75 inch tv to fit in a model S??? I could barely get a 65 inch LG OLED w/ box in a Model X 7 seat w/ seats down. Which tv model was it? Thats pretty incredible.

It was the Samsung QLED (which I know is a fake marketing attempt at confusing consumers with OLED - we bought it for the separate box it comes with where you run all the cords to). It fit easily into the S! The guys at the TV store were blown away.
 

Mcstatic

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If the big reason for upgrading was range. Why cripple your range and efficiency with a performance. Another bad financial decision?

Nice. It's amazing you've been divorced multiple time... troll.

The only way to know whether or not getting a performance model is right for you, is after driving it. At that point, range becomes of secondary performance. That being said, based upon my first 200 miles, I anticipate the range on the Perf Raven will be at least 325mi.
 
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Mcstatic

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Thanks for the write up! I have an August 2018 X 100D with 22" rims and have been considering getting a Raven, so your insights are useful!
  1. That is not a regen brake. It's a parking brake.
  2. On regular Teslas (non-Performance), the parking brake is integrated into the rear caliper. On Performance Teslas (with red brakes), the rear brakes are from a different manufacturer, and are better. They have a second caliper dedicated solely to the parking brake.
  3. Some of your differences had to do with switching from 22" to 20" rims, and also switching from 75D to a P100D ("Raven Performance"). I'd be a little more aware of these things as well. Not all changes are Pre-Raven to Raven :)

Thank you, Spectrum! I had no idea that was the parking brake. Makes much more sense now.

I agree with your comments about the rim size, although many threads suggest its more the tires than the size. I have 20" winters as well (bought via Tesla) and because of the softer compound (even when driven in decent weather), the range wasn't anywhere near what I am getting in my Raven now. It's hard to explain, but you can just feel that the Raven is operating with far less effort.

In a nutshell, to improve range you can:

1) use smaller rims
2) use all-season tires (not perf all season)
3) buy a Raven
 
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Mcstatic

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Any updates on efficiency now that OP has more miles?

Hi Hoopoe - I had every intention of having lots of data under my belt by now (i do about 2k miles/month, so getting data happens fast).

My wife was borrowing my brand new car and found a curb. Unfortunately, the tire died overnight and we had to tow. Since then, we went on vacation and I haven't had the opportunity to drive my new toy yet. My wife's car is in the shop (another "incident," don't ask...), so she is using my car this week. I will revert with data in this thread when I have info to share. Sorry for the delay...

I did take the opportunity to get the new rims but on while my tire was getting replaced. I will post pics of the new rims at some point shortly.
 

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Nice. It's amazing you've been divorced multiple time... troll.

The only way to know whether or not getting a performance model is right for you, is after driving it. At that point, range becomes of secondary performance. That being said, based upon my first 200 miles, I anticipate the range on the Perf Raven will be at least 325mi.

I’ve been married for 40 years, how about you?

Let’s be honest. Range wasn’t the reason you wanted to upgrade from 75D. You wanted Performance, which is fine. But you told your wife (or yourself) it was range to justify it.

I have a Model 3 Performance. I just sold it for a non Performance X. It only cost me $5K on the Model 3. No way I’d waste $20K for something I could rarely ever use.

It’s all relative. If you could get 325 out of a Performance X you should probably get 300 out of your 75D. And you’d probably get 350 out of a LR X non performance. You are the one that started the thread off with range being the primary reason for the upgrade. You are contradicting yourself.

I personally rather have the range.

Enjoy.
 

csriram45

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for those of you upgrading from a 2017 or 2018, why not sell to private party. I would love to have taken one off your hands and still can as my BIL is looking for one..
 

Saghost

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It’s all relative. If you could get 325 out of a Performance X you should probably get 300 out of your 75D. And you’d probably get 350 out of a LR X non performance. You are the one that started the thread off with range being the primary reason for the upgrade. You are contradicting yourself.

I personally rather have the range.

Enjoy.

There's no way. At all.

My Ludicrous Raven uses significantly less energy per mile than my 75D did, and has 33% more usable energy.
 
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Rkilian

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Hello All - I promised to update my original post once I took delivery of my Raven Perf X, so here goes (updates in Italics)

I have benefited tremendously from the time others have taken in sharing their experiences and stories, so I thought I would pay it back a bit.

In June 2018, I bought a Model X 75D, 6 seater, FSD, center console, 22” rims. I fell in love with this car almost instantly. If I had any regret after driving the car for a little while, it was that I wish I had bought the 100D for more range, as well as did the 5 or 7 seater for folding seat convenience. My X75D currently has about 23k miles on it.

Poor financial decisions aside… I have decided to order a new Model X Perf Raven, 5 seater, 20” standard rims - should arrive by the end of August. My test drive confirmed the new suspension is incredible (almost as good as my wife’s XC90 T8 which is a 10 out of 10 in comfort), the car is quick (audible front wheel slippage on heavy acceleration) both at launch and when floored at 60, and the efficiency is TBD.

In an effort to help others, here are a few areas I thought would be worth touching on, which I will update when I receive my new Raven.

Range

Note: I drive spiritedly but responsible. I have two kids under two, so lots of my driving is rational. However, I drive 30 miles to and from work (60 round trip) every weekday, and enjoy launches and high levels of acceleration when possible. Much of my commute is around 80mph because when you live in Chicago, you get after it when you can. I have a HPWC at home but LOVE to use SuperChargers when I can. I do realize that the cost of charging at home is minimal, but something about getting “free juice” is very appealing.

X75D: I became obsessed with my efficiency, not because I want to save the planet as quickly as possible, but rather because I found that my driving habits were the most crucial factor when achieving range. My X75D has a lifetime efficiency of about 380 wh/mi, or roughly 180-190 miles per charge (I have never taken my car to 0 miles remaining as the idea terrifies me). I live in Chicago, so the winter certainly brought my lifetime range higher than most. This summer, my average has been about 355 wh/mi. However, one morning I hit the road early to get to work (5am) and decided it was a good opportunity to see how efficient I could be since I knew there would be little traffic. To my surprise, AC on Level 1 and driving around 65, I was able to achieve 290 wh/mi.

Raven: TBD - I did order my Raven with 20” standard rims. I ordered Matte Black Arachnids from Tsportsline that will fit the stock tires. I am hopeful I will be able to achieve the ~305mi range going this route, and will report back when I have some data.

WOW. I only have 200 miles on my car now, but oh my god is the range a vast improvement. It is clear when doing either 40mph or 70mph, the car just isn't exerting as much effort to maintain the speed. See the picture below where I did a 44.3 mile trip - this was both highway @ 80mph as well as stop-and-go through suburbs. To accomplish 280wh/mi is insane. Perhaps, it's ludicrous. During this trip, there were 4 of us in the car (two kids) and a trunk full of stuff, A/C on, in Luda mode. I can't wait to further test the efficiency of this car. Based upon my recent driving, the total range for this car may be 350mi+ in normal driving conditions. My X75D was closer to 180mi, so my Raven may be close to doubling my X75D. This is no joke.

My "Since Last Charge" efficiency does not look quite as good... let's just say, there was some "testing" I needed to do when my kids weren't in the car. My "Trip A" is even worse as this is the total efficiency since mile 0, which many folks may remember, the first few miles while in Tesla's hands are around 2,000wh/mi, making the overall picture look worse than it actually is. This will regulate shortly, but I tracked my X75D over it's lifetime (380wh/mi) and would like to do the same with my Raven.

Note: I have not had my new Tsportline rims installed yet; that happens Thursday and I will update if there is a difference, which I suspect there will not be as many folks have commented on tires being the largest driver of range (outside of driving habits, of course).


Shudder

X75D: I noticed the shudder first during the winter of 2018. It was nasty sounding and made me feel like I was breaking the car under heavy acceleration. I took my car into the shop. They said they would order new half shafts for me to replace the issue. I didn’t hear anything for a month, called Tesla, and they said they had no idea what I was talking about. Instead of fighting the issue, I just lived with it. This summer, the shudder has gone away completely in my X75D. I have a feeling it would return when it is cold out, but I will not have the car to find out.

Raven: TBD - nothing noticed during the test drive.

No shudder present. Multiple launches from 0, and only tire slippage is noticed (this thing is fast!).

SuperCharging

X75D: I have become quite skilled at SuperCharging when on road trips, maximizing speed vs. time at SuperCharger, etc. After the recent update to the V2 SuperChargers, I have been able to get up to 127kw @ over 400mph while charging. This is certainly an upgrade from the slower speeds I was used to. Being in Chicago, I will not be able to comment on V3 SuperChargers for quite some time. I am eager to test the Raven on a V2, however.

Raven: TBD

Still TBD. Will update when I get a chance to use a 150kw SuperCharger.

Other items:

If there is a substantial difference in AP, Enhanced Summon etc., I will post on it.

One interesting item I haven't seen anyone comment on is that my Raven has the second regen brake on the rear calipers (picture below). My 2018 X75D did not have this. In terms of feeling, there is no noticeable difference. I am not sure why Tesla brought this back, but would appreciate insights from someone smarter than me.

I didn't have my car pre-loaded with FSD - I waited to pay for it post-delivery so I could buy it on my CC and get the miles. I was sitting in the car while I ordered FSD on my phone. As soon as I hit "Purchase" on my phone, the car went dead. It was very strange. I then did a hard restart, and the car came back on, now with FSD. One on hand, the shut off was concerning. On the other, super cool that FSD came to my car that fast.

I am happy to answer any additional questions folks have. In a nutshell, this car is substantially better than my X75D. I am so happy I made the decision to upgrade. What excites me as well is that for folks new to Tesla who buy a Raven as their first EV, they will be hooked for life!
It’s not a second regen brake. It’s your parking brake; I think it’s also used for holding the vehicle if your foot is not on the brake. The regen brake is just the motors working as generators. It may be that the larger motor doesn’t use the regular brakes for this.
 

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