The hell you do! Are you basing that ridiculous claim off how long I've been on TMC? You total moron
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For sure! And I think you are being entirely reasonable.
While the FUD machine pisses us all off - I believe it would be beneficial to the mechanics of this - the persistent and growing negativity purasuades others to join.
I would be shocked if we weren’t increasing short %/float the past month due to that, which just makes the mountain that much taller.
Why, that would be illegal. Musk would never do that.
Of course, he's now stated in public that he intends to buy $20 million of stock (probably because he's irritated at giving $20 million to short-sellers). If he's buying that on the open market, a lower stock price certainly benefits him. But he'd never do that *intentionally*.
A lot of the selling, I'm pretty sure, is Fidelity. I heard their Tesla bull got replaced for a metoo movement reason. They've been unloading ever since.
Buckminster
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humbaba
sleeping until $7000
I read it on this forum actually..... I forgot who posted it. Someone could search it I'm pretty sure it's still here.
tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
I don't recommend it, but scrolling down today's Verizon Finance (face it, Yahoo's dead, it's Verizon now) page for TSLA, the news headlines are just dumb and dumberer.
Particularly fascinating to me, in a morbid way, is the willful illogic of the headlines. For example:
• Tesla Is Down 7%, Thanks to Musk's Tweets. . .
• Tesla Stock Tumbles After Musk's Swipes At SEC, Short Sellers
The articles never show any proof that A was caused by B. I remain skeptical that things are ever that simple. But in media-land, when it comes to Tesla, things are ALWAYS that simple.
Imagine the following scenarios:
A = Mary Smith wakes up at 4:37am to get to work early on a very busy day.
B = The sun rises at 5:45am.
Therefore, the headlines are:
• Sun makes surprise appearance after Mary Smith wakes
• Large flaming object appears at eastern horizon minutes after area woman gets out of bed
Or another:
A = Bob Jones gets off the bus at 10:11am in Tuscaloosa
B = Facebook stock drops 20% at 10:46am
Therefore, the headlines must be:
• Facebook plummets after Bob Jones gets off bus
• Facebook bloodbath blamed on Tuscaloosa bus passenger
I mean come on. One does not necessarily cause the other. Yet in media-land, that is always true.
Particularly fascinating to me, in a morbid way, is the willful illogic of the headlines. For example:
• Tesla Is Down 7%, Thanks to Musk's Tweets. . .
• Tesla Stock Tumbles After Musk's Swipes At SEC, Short Sellers
The articles never show any proof that A was caused by B. I remain skeptical that things are ever that simple. But in media-land, when it comes to Tesla, things are ALWAYS that simple.
Imagine the following scenarios:
A = Mary Smith wakes up at 4:37am to get to work early on a very busy day.
B = The sun rises at 5:45am.
Therefore, the headlines are:
• Sun makes surprise appearance after Mary Smith wakes
• Large flaming object appears at eastern horizon minutes after area woman gets out of bed
Or another:
A = Bob Jones gets off the bus at 10:11am in Tuscaloosa
B = Facebook stock drops 20% at 10:46am
Therefore, the headlines must be:
• Facebook plummets after Bob Jones gets off bus
• Facebook bloodbath blamed on Tuscaloosa bus passenger
I mean come on. One does not necessarily cause the other. Yet in media-land, that is always true.
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Someone is playing games with the NASDAQ numbers it would appear. The 13F filed in August for Q2 showed Fidelity sold shares to reduce themselves into third place. It was widely reported that Baillie Gifford had become the largest shareholder for Tesla after Elon himself.
Major Tesla owner Fidelity trimmed stake last quarter: SEC filing | Reuters
Just moved some more money into my broker account, hopefully it clears while the SP is still at this low price.
To borrow a quote, "If my fate is to [lose all my money here], I must simply laugh."
To borrow a quote, "If my fate is to [lose all my money here], I must simply laugh."
A lot of people blindly believed funding secured and got burned. I'm not going to believe into well thought out short burn plans after this. Maybe it will happen, I just think it's safer for me at this point not to believe it.
dqd88
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I think releasing Mod Y too soon will cannibalize M3. I think next step should be Semi+Roadster. Mod 3 sales are providing good cover while developing these. Part of the battle against ICE, actually a huge part of the battle, is changing perceptions. If the perception of EV is not there, they won't sell. It's kinda like inception. There's needs to be this deep rooted seed of a belief in each consumer that EV is cooler and better than ICE. May sound trivial but it's probably the biggest component to the game plan. Perception ultimately determines where the buyer's money will go. The Leaf/Prius, while good cars, are not good for perception in the long run. They aren't moving the needle for EV fast enough. They aren't sexy. They aren't badass. They are pragmatic. EV must be seen as badass.
And the ironic thing is that, the strengths of EV are torque, interior space, low center of gravity (lending to safety, performance) etc. Leaf/prius don't exploit these inherent strengths. It's value left on the table. And that's why it's not the right path for mass adoption.
Elon exploited the inherent strengths, changing the narrative from boring EV to badass EV.
Roadster and Semi will finalize that narrative. The neck breaking speed of Roadster will end the debate around which system is better for performance; and it will force the ferrari's and lambo's of the world to pivot aggressively to EV or prob die.
Re Semi, it's seems that's the first step in going down the truck route. First Semi, shifting the perception that Tesla can't make tough/brawny vehicles, then further exploiting the perception shift, release the pickup.
Then the Model Y. But idk, I haven't follow the product release map to a T. These are just high level thoughts.
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elon clearly is taking issue with the mechanics of short selling and the resourcefulness with which they operate.
einhorn, after horrible recent results, seizing the opportunity to issue a statement comparing tesla to lehman and calling tesla deceptive, cnbc all too willing to swallow it whole, without even a quick safety-whiff
...talk about the pot and the kettle
that is exactly why elon is doing this. not because he’s rattled, because he’s pointing out the biased, unbalanced, inefficient, and corrupt system for his 22.7mm followers and their followers to see and connect the dots themselves.
even people here talk as if a certain event will cause the stock to move one way or the other. it rarely works that way. tsla even less so.
the drop in stock price happens regardless what elon says or does at this time, because it has to!
inv banks/hf’s/hft’s won’t make money unless it goes the opposite way everyone expects it to go based upon the ramp successes and failures.
they jerk it around to shake all the money away from each other and us, and then let it rip upwards once they delever... and then restart the whole cycle again!
it’s like an inverse bubble, except it deflates on the “rise” and inflates and pops on the deleveraging
einhorn, after horrible recent results, seizing the opportunity to issue a statement comparing tesla to lehman and calling tesla deceptive, cnbc all too willing to swallow it whole, without even a quick safety-whiff
...talk about the pot and the kettle
that is exactly why elon is doing this. not because he’s rattled, because he’s pointing out the biased, unbalanced, inefficient, and corrupt system for his 22.7mm followers and their followers to see and connect the dots themselves.
even people here talk as if a certain event will cause the stock to move one way or the other. it rarely works that way. tsla even less so.
the drop in stock price happens regardless what elon says or does at this time, because it has to!
inv banks/hf’s/hft’s won’t make money unless it goes the opposite way everyone expects it to go based upon the ramp successes and failures.
they jerk it around to shake all the money away from each other and us, and then let it rip upwards once they delever... and then restart the whole cycle again!
it’s like an inverse bubble, except it deflates on the “rise” and inflates and pops on the deleveraging
Esme Es Mejor
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Why so angry? If you have been a long time lurker or posting with a different handle why not just say so?
Fidelity is, like, dozens of separate funds.
One of the funds has been unloading after Gavin Baker was fired for harassing his staff. (Abigail Johnson doesn't tolerate that.) His replacement is not so into Tesla.
The other funds are pretty much holding the course.
This has been a standard problem with all "business reporting" for decades. They always claim a "reason" for stock price moves, with no evidence whatsoever.
RoadsterPlease
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guys, after spending more than 30 hours in the past 7 days alone analyzing $tsla my opinion at this moment is that this is a major buying opportunity. Ignore negativity and you will see that the fundamentals are for the first time not totally overvalued but actually quite realistic. Just my two cents going into an uncertain weekend holding 160 stocks and a strong believe that there is real long term value in this company.
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