RoadsterPlease
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Futures are stabilizing and $TSLA still at 265 pre-market. I think we have a triple bottom at 260.
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Ulmo
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Your chart tells me there isn't reasonable risk there, by far.
Fact Checking
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Very interesting - the Handelsblatt now largely adopting views this forum had for the last 2 years (at least). I think what changed their reporting is that in the U.S. Tesla sales are crushing Mercedes and BMW ICE sales. That must have been a wake-up call.
I think business media sentiment towards Tesla is going to change with success: success in the marketplace (when compared to ICE vehicle sales in their primary segments), and financial success in terms of cash flow and profitability. And I believe in many cases it will happen like it happened with the Handelsblatt: the change will be an abrupt 180 degrees, as if they never wrote Tesla FUD before.
That's the one redeeming quality of mainstream journalists which is going to help Tesla: they have the institutional memory and attention span of a slightly retarded common toad.
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
“If people bring so much courage to this world the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” ― Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms
j6Lpi429@3j
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Surely there is a non zero number of investors who read all that biased crap but also take the time to actually look at quarterly results and draw trend line conclusions from that? Those hard numbers get reported everywhere, and when you google a stock quote, many sites stuck the last few quarters results right there under the current SP. I know shorts will spin, and lie and FUD and talk bullshit, but I get a very strong impression that tesla are turning a financial corner right now, and all the FUD in the world cannot change those numbers. I'd be surprised if we do not see a decent SP uptick after Q3 results.
If they think Model X charges quickly, wait until they get a sense of how fast Model 3 can charge (kph) at present, and then how fast it can charge on V3 after they come out
that was my first message to you, thinking you possibly weren’t a jerk off troll, trying to give you a chance to be an adult. you replied with no answer just more bullshit.
don’t accuse me of trash talk when i was the only one to give you benefit of doubt,
btw that article is garbage, thanks for the wonderful input
Daimler will start building EV battery plant in U.S.
Look at this. Not to mention that with 1B$ investment is noting, but following:
The investment comes as Daimler brand Mercedes-Benz prepares to launch the electric EQC SUV, as part of a broader assault on a sector currently dominated by Tesla.
"We aim to play a pioneering role in the development of e-mobility and are well-prepared to accomplish this mission," said Daimler board member Markus Schaefer.
They want to be a pioneers where someone is already dominating?
Waiting to see start of "cash burning" at legacy.
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Spanish sales drop 17% on WLTP disruption
Audi's Europe sales fall 56% on WLTP
Look at this. Not to mention that with 1B$ investment is noting, but following:
The investment comes as Daimler brand Mercedes-Benz prepares to launch the electric EQC SUV, as part of a broader assault on a sector currently dominated by Tesla.
"We aim to play a pioneering role in the development of e-mobility and are well-prepared to accomplish this mission," said Daimler board member Markus Schaefer.
They want to be a pioneers where someone is already dominating?
Waiting to see start of "cash burning" at legacy.
ps:
Spanish sales drop 17% on WLTP disruption
Audi's Europe sales fall 56% on WLTP
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Anstandswauwau
Member
Some new gems from our German friends:
- Audi admits doctoring VINs & test-protocols in South Korea (SZ | sueddeutsche.de | GER)
- BMW's Head of Development: "We are ze cost leader in e-mobolity" (Der Standard | derstandard.at | GER)
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
What he's doing is speaking the truth, something you are obviously unfamiliar with.
Which is exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Few people here take his manic cheerleading seriously.
Correct, so go away and never come back.
Regarding Tesla taking control of the narrative, I have an humble suggestion:
- use Tesla twitter, in a serious way. They publish very few posts, and if I'm not mistaken they didn't even tweet about the NHTSA blogpost
- let Elon retweet everything
Singer3000
Member
I’d hope for the same thing too, though I think whether we’re + or - $50m in q3 wont matter as much as being +$$$ in q4 and q1. Dave’s worry however seems to be specifically about media coverage, not short term stock price reaction.
And I guess my point is that media coverage is gonna suck for a long time, possibly forever regardless of financial and stock performance, so don’t worry be happy.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'm laying the blame on all the people such as yourself for the constant flood of inaccurate misleading FUD which has been going on for years and increasing in intensity. You are the problem.If that is true are you laying all of the blame for a change in perception on Elon?
You have comments of newspaper stories out there on people who have paid for cars weeks ago and still have no cars. Do you really think all of these people getting 2, 3, and 4 cancelations are keeping their frustrations to themselves? We all know good news travels at the speed of sound; bad news travels at the speed of light.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
The media is clearly incentivized to skew negative on Tesla, how is Tesla supposed to change that?
Media cares about clicks, and uses whatever story will get clicks best (positive or negative). Right now, people are eating up the negative story. But that doesn't mean it can't reverse. People also tend to like "comeback" stories. I think sustainable profits will do a lot to help the media balance. It'll also drive a lot of shorts off the market (reducing their incentive to FUD). Ideally, if they could kill off the UAW campaign as well (aka, with a vote of some sort), that would be great too.
Note: sustainable != "1 quarter".
Fact Checking
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A key demographics for new car customers has viewed Joe Rogan's podcast in record numbers and the video has a record positive like/dislike ratio.
Just to see what the typical reaction of everyday young people is: here's a link to the reaction of a young man, who succinctly summed it up as: "the [Joe Rogan] controversy that blew up was so stupid". That's the reaction I've seen from many other members of Gen Y/Z as well, so can confirm anecdotally.
So yeah, I think that Elon going on Joe Rogan's show and not inhaling a single puff of cannabis and explaining that he doesn't use due to bad effects on productivity strengthened his image among young people: it shows that he doesn't judge, is open minded but has his own opinion.
You are probably part of an older demographic who as a generation treats it as a social taboo to show any tolerance towards recreational drug use (publicly ...), but Gen Y/Z is a lot more tolerant, across a wide range of topics, such as:
More tolerance is probably one of the positive effects of social media, in addition to brains of younger generations not being lead poisoned.
You also asked for scientific metrics of public sentiment towards Elon, and I think such metrics exist to a certain extent, for example if you compare 'love' versus 'hate' towards Elon Musk on Google Trends, there's two large peaks of public support in the last 3 months:
Here's the rough events that are visible on this graph of public opinion (to the extent we can rely on Google Trends for this):
- The early July period was conflicted, the Thai rescue communication was a mistake
- September 7, the Joe Rogan interview: big blue peak of support for Elon
- September 29, the SEC lawsuit against Elon Musk: big blue peak of support for Elon
- "Funding secured" on August 7": it didn't even register in public perception...
TL;DR: I see you are worried about this and about potential bad effects on image, demand and investors, but I really wouldn't worry about it too much, the next two news cycles are going to reset media perception back to the baseline, and professional investors will come and go, because all they care about is the money.
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
It was the same Model S that was crashed twice. Once hit on the right side while sliding through an intersection, then once more in the front as it hit a light pole or some such.There were a couple Teslas in Deadpool 2. But they got wrecked.
Beautiful sig. red with 20" wheels too. Dam shame if you ask me. But the kids loved it.
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