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Expected residual value on leases is probably the best way to gain insights on what OEMs really think they EV transition will be like in terms of asset values. Reducing RV makers current offerings less competitive so the only reason they will drop it is because they believe that the RV is as high as it can be while still absorbing expected losses.

Lower RVs should also translate into lower new car prices in the future as the price differential will shift purchaser behaviour towards used vehicles.
 
I agree there are many causes of recessions but lately (past 25 years), in an active Fed environment, recessions have been caused by a deflating asset bubble. This time will be no different.

Subtle but important point. The deflating asset bubble does not cause a recession *unless* the asset values have been transformed into liquid money in some fashion. If it has, the drop in asset values translates to a drop in circulating money. If it hasn't, it doesn't.

In the housing crisis, the (faked) asset values of the houses --> the valuation of the mortgages --> the valuation of the mortgage-backed securities --> the valuation of the "collateralized debt obligations" made up of slices of MBS --> the valuation of the money market funds which put their money in the CDOs. The revelation that the mortgages were no good meant the money market funds were no good.

In 1929, the inflated values of stocks --> inflated values for overnight loans from banks to brokerages --> inflated values for bank balance sheets. So when the stocks crashed, the loans from banks to brokerages went bad, and the banks became insolvent, so there was a bank run.

For an asset bubble bursting to trigger a recession, there has to be a transmission mechanism between the asset value and the money markets. There are a lot of these. It's good when government OUTLAWS the transmission mechanisms, because it makes for a much more stable economy.

Right now, it might be people borrowing against stocks, like it was in 1929. Stocks drop -> margin loans are called in -> people have less money. But I don't see signs of big overextension there, though I may have missed them.
 
Subtle but important point. The deflating asset bubble does not cause a recession *unless* the asset values have been transformed into liquid money in some fashion. If it has, the drop in asset values translates to a drop in circulating money. If it hasn't, it doesn't.

In the housing crisis, the (faked) asset values of the houses --> the valuation of the mortgages --> the valuation of the mortgage-backed securities --> the valuation of the "collateralized debt obligations" made up of slices of MBS --> the valuation of the money market funds which put their money in the CDOs. The revelation that the mortgages were no good meant the money market funds were no good.

In 1929, the inflated values of stocks --> inflated values for overnight loans from banks to brokerages --> inflated values for bank balance sheets. So when the stocks crashed, the loans from banks to brokerages went bad, and the banks became insolvent, so there was a bank run.

For an asset bubble bursting to trigger a recession, there has to be a transmission mechanism between the asset value and the money markets. There are a lot of these. It's good when government OUTLAWS the transmission mechanisms, because it makes for a much more stable economy.

Right now, it might be people borrowing against stocks, like it was in 1929. Stocks drop -> margin loans are called in -> people have less money. But I don't see signs of big overextension there, though I may have missed them.

There is a feel rich and overspend (less savings balance) at the consumer level...
 
BTW., since Tesla is now peak-testing 7,000 Model 3's per week now, and there's about 2,000 Model S/X's made per week, the better rate is probably that Tesla is making 9,000 EVs per week, to go up to ~12,000 EVs per week next year.

I.e. Tesla will be growing EV output faster within the next ~6-9 months than the entire current German EV production is today - and that ignores the fact that basically all of the current German EVs are non-competitive with Tesla's offerings to begin with, most of them are escaping to lower price segments and are using the fact that there's very high demand for even mediocre EVs to be sold.

True.

Most people do not comprehend that the acceleration of EV production at Tesla will outpace the attempt of the incumbent industry by an order of magnitude. The VWs of this world will further fall behind and will not be able to catch up because they need to do first what Tesla did already and go through a learning curve building experience, know how and facilities as well as demand. The last year alone has been a prove that they do it slower. If thats true how can they then possibly catch up?!

Many still believe that their current ICE production facilities as well as capital strength are the factors that make the difference but this is not about how much resources you have. Its a new technology that you won't be able to compete with the tools of an old technology.
 
Lower RVs should also translate into lower new car prices in the future as the price differential will shift purchaser behaviour towards used vehicles.
Only if the market is willing to buy cheaper new cars.

Another effect that can happen instead is that sales instead slow down, if used vehicles are perceived as superior to similarly priced new vehicles, and the automakers are unable to cut costs enough on a product that has the minimum desirable features to compete.
 
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On vol skew, I think you actually have it backwards. Implied volatility of a given strike/underlying/expiry is the volatility implied from *at-the-money* options. Skew, therefore, is the difference between a given OTM option IV and ATM IV. That doesn't necessarily mean that OTM options have higher IVs (positive skew), but they usually do.

Super, super common in commodities markets where you can have black swan events, regime switching, and limited ability to absorb supply/demand shocks (e.g. power generator trips offline in the peak of summer and very few levers available to reduce electricity demand). So options dealers need to be compensated for the additional risk of these OTM options, especially at far OTM strikes. "Volatility smile" is a common phenomenon, where IV is the lowest ATM and increases non-linearly for OTM options on both sides of the strike price.

OK, I clearly got some of it wrong.

The trick is basically to lose as little as possible on the rollout. Rolling out a long option, you're paying for extra time value, and you want to pay as little as possible for the extra time value. That much I am sure of.

Working out exactly how to do this is not obvious to me -- it really looks like the time-value is higher near the money, and lower further from the money, so you should want to roll out when far from the money. However, the time value in out-of-the-money calls tends to be a lot higher than in-the-money calls, so I think you also want to roll the calls while they're in the money. So deep-in-the-money is the best place to roll them, I think.

On the other hand, with my short puts, I'm harvesting time value; I believe I want to roll them right at the money.
 
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In case you're curious, I actually expect volatility to drop after Q4. ....

If volatility is lower over 2019 than is currently assumed, then that lowers delta for long-term options. Which makes long-term options a worse investment.
Hmmm. I sell puts. This implies to me that I should roll my short puts out to the longest dates I feel comfortable with, to harvest the higher volatility present now, if volatility will decline...

But Tesla has a history of implied volatility spikes, so I'm kind of waiting for another one.
 
BTW., since Tesla is now peak-testing 7,000 Model 3's per week now, and there's about 2,000 Model S/X's made per week, the better rate is probably that Tesla is making 9,000 EVs per week, to go up to ~12,000 EVs per week next year.

I.e. Tesla will be growing EV output faster within the next ~6-9 months than the entire current German EV production is today - and that ignores the fact that basically all of the current German EVs are non-competitive with Tesla's offerings to begin with, most of them are escaping to lower price segments and are using the fact that there's very high demand for even mediocre EVs to be sold.

It will not be a supply issue but a demand issue. Lets see what happens after the US rebates are reduced and the Europe demand is filled in a quarter or two. Lower fuel prices will also have a big effect on reducing demand.
 
It will not be a supply issue but a demand issue. Lets see what happens after the US rebates are reduced and the Europe demand is filled in a quarter or two. Lower fuel prices will also have a big effect on reducing demand.

Let's also see what happens as Tesla's margins keep growing and thus it keeps introducing lower-cost versions, representing a more dramatic price reduction than the rebate reduction entails.

Let's also not get ahead of ourselves in assuming that the rebate will actually go away, or at least for that long. GM also wants it renewed / reformulated. Pretty much nobody likes it the way it is, at the very least.

Let's watch what happens when Tesla introduces leases. And new features. And more Tesla stores, service centre, and expands supercharger coverage. And entires entirely new markets.

Even if the above wasn't true, assuming that "steady-state" US + EU + China + everyone else demand is below 7k seems laughable to me. Even in a recession. Most of what Tesla has been filling in the past several months hasn't been reservations, but new orders.
 
Is this to do with capital gains tax rate?
Partly. For after-tax investments, the long-term capital gains rate is only achieved if you hold for a year.

But this is the bigger issue: For *after-tax* investments, you are taxed at the moment of transaction, when you close a position (sell your stock). But for *retirement accounts*, you're only taxed when you take the money out. (And for Roths, you're never taxed at all.)

So the result is that there's no tax penalty for excessive trading in retirement accounts -- none of it incurs tax at the time of trading. But there are major tax penalties for excessive trading in after-tax accounts. So if you're going to do frequent, speculative trading you want to do it in a retirement account.

This used to not be so much of an issue, because frequent trading would incur such high commissions that it was a terrible idea in any account. But commissions have dropped so much that it's viable now.
 
I agree and I know that Neroden (who I respect greatly for his acumen) speculated that Panasonic and Tesla are a merger candidate.

However, I just don’t see the Japanese allowing one of the showcase companies to merge (particularly if there is no risk of bankruptcy) with a foreign company.
I believe the outcome would be that Panasonic would own a large share of Tesla, and Panasonic's battery bsuiness would be part of Tesla, but that Panasonic would remain independent (with their manufactured housing and consumer electronics businesses, etc.) Japan seems to love these cross-shareholding things.

Moreover, the Government has a fund that invests in Japanese companies but as importantly the political/business class jointly discourage foreign takeovers/mergers of their leading companies (the battery business would surely be viewed as one worth protecting).
But if they want to keep "Japanese ownership" of the battery business, then yes, they'd prevent it.

FWIW: I’ve shaped this view from working in Japan for 7 years and having met many politicians plus senior leaders of their Corporate class (including Panasonic).
 
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