Understanding Trump

[McRat]

Yes but still a car forum none the less

Trump does not own a car company. Nor has he done anything as of yet to impact them.

He does appoint staff that do affect the automotive industry.

The goal right now, is to make sure nobody who is really good at their job is allowed to assist in any areas.

 

[wycolo]

> So FDR knew Stalin's intentions well before Pearl Harbor. [McRat]

In addition to quite possibly knowing Japan's intentions (and arrival time) wrt Pearl Harbor. Realpolitic.

Remind us about Stalin/N.Korea??
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[israndy]

Interestingly I don't feel I Understand Trump any better after reading this thread. I do however think I understand early Tesla owners better now.

 

[wycolo]

DT a mere pipsqueak in the march of history amongst the likes of Churchill, Stalin, Truman, Eisenhower.
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[Driver Dave]

Trump is a flim flam man.

Flim flam takes a lot of energy to keep the flim flam going.

Trump is running out of energy.

 

[Ludalicious]

Can't be the only one who think's politics doesn't belong on a car forum. Take this crap somewhere else. JM2C

 

[israndy]

He says after reading a thread in the Off Topic section of the board titled Understanding Trump. Not sure who is the one in the wrong place.

 

[lolachampcar]

Really Ludalicious?????

 

[K2500Z71]

Interesting thread. I tend to take this approach when discussing politics: If someone asks me if I support candidate X or Y, I respond with, “On which issue?”

Those who blindly support a candidate or party (which sadly seems to be a majority these days) typically look confused at that point.

Political discussions should be about issues and how we solve them. No party or candidate has a lock on all of the right answers. Once the right answers to those issues begin to emerge, then we should talk about which party or candidate most closely aligns.

 

[EVChris]

 

[TEG]

This thread is to discuss -

What is Trump saying and what are his voters & supporters hearing?

This is very different from the media narrative. We should focus on first person speeches and interviews.

This thread is NOT meant for partisan fist fights. As we all know that is not tolerated on TMC.

This is merely an attempt to understand the "Trump phenomenon" and it's current and future implications.

See for yourself:

What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol

"We are not going to let this (election certification) happen!"

"Fight for Trump!... Fight for Trump!... Fight for Trump!..."

Flag in the crowd:

What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol
At 3:10+

"We are not liberals, we don't burn sh!t down. We are coming for THEM..."

Right leaning counterpoint I have heard to all this:
"...The capitol riot was just peaceful protestors (they didn't burn the building down) exercising their rights to protest the election results. BLM protests are worse. They destroy businesses..."

“All Bets Are Off”: An Extremism Expert Monitoring the Trump Fringes Now Has Never Been More Worried

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When I was there in the riot, I saw aggressive instigators but also young people who were getting high, celebrating, and seemed to have no idea of what they’d done. Then there were the guys in tactical gear. How much does this riot look like coordinated and sophisticated violence to you?

Armed extremist groups had for a long time been calling for this storm. This is the language that they use. Their time has come. It’s now or never. Trump has led them to believe that their way of life is fundamentally at risk here, and unless they act now to save it, it’s the end of the country as they know it.
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[TEG]

Some pointed out that someone previously associated with BLM was inside the Capitol during the riots..

People tying Capitol rioter John Sullivan to BLM and Antifa are missing some key facts
( John Sullivan was some kind of outlier not at all representative of the bulk of the crowd there. Probably there to generate traffic to his live feeds or has just become some kind of adrenaline junkie. The article says that the courts have now put all sorts of restrictions on his activities. )
PolitiFact - Facebook posts wrongly claim left-wing activist, antifa ‘incited’ US Capitol mob

 

[jjrandorin]

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