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Used Model X ludicrousness

gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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I’m buying a used 2016 Model X from Tesla’s website. It was advertised as a P90DL, and it was stated to be a P90DL in the order agreement. However, when the folks at Tesla were emailing me about that car’s delivery process, it was mentioned in the email that they are removing the “ludicrous” mode prior to delivery. And, they are saying that it won’t be reinstalled for free nor will there be any discount. Isn’t that false advertising? And is it really legal to have that it is a P90DL in the order agreement and not follow through?
 

gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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Supposedly, other people have had this issue where the car was advertised as having the ludicrous mode, and then they are roped into paying the same price for the car even after they are told that the ludicrous mode was removed and therefore is not being sold as advertised. Anyone else have this issue? There are still used 2016 model X vehicles being sold on the Tesla website and being advertised as coming with the ludicrous mode...
 
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BulldogsRus

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Pretty sure the “L” meant the car was supposed to come with the ludicrous mode. That’s why I’m confused and was asking about the above :/
So they are charging you for Ludicrous but removing it, or was it a cheap P90D? Why would they even make the effort to remove it after he fact, battery concerns?
 
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gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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So they are charging you for Ludicrous but removing it, or was it a cheap P90D? Why would they even make the effort to remove it after he fact, battery concerns?
It was about the same as, if not a couple thousand more expensive than, the other 2016 P90Ds. They say it’s been removed to preserve the longevity of the battery. However, as the person who is paying for the car and is specifically choosing this car partially because of how it was advertised and named in the order agreement, shouldn’t I have a say in whether or not I want it removed to preserve the longevity of the battery?
 

gatwinkus

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And they claim they are removing the ludicrous mode on all of the used 2016 model Xs, but I don’t see this stated anywhere on the website, and again, there are still several 2016 model X P90DLs being advertised on their site. When I asked the folks at Tesla about this, they claimed it was a decision that was made recently, that they have had to explain the same things to several others in the same boat, and that it is such a new decision that it hasn’t been implemented into the Tesla website yet...
 
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gatwinkus

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If it says P90DL in the order agreement, I'm not sure why there's any more discussion about the car having it..? If they are now trying to remove it, walk away.
Agreed. Although, for the sake of future buyers, since they reportedly plan on doing this to everyone from here on out who thinks they are buying a 2016 P90DL from Tesla’s site, they either need to give people an option as to whether or not they want to keep the L or give them a discount if they are just going to remove it regardless. Or they need to just be honest about what the buyer will be getting when buying from the Tesla website. Or there should be legal ramifications for not honoring a legal agreement and for false advertising.
 

glide

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Agreed. Although, for the sake of future buyers, since they reportedly plan on doing this to everyone from here on out who thinks they are buying a 2016 P90DL from Tesla’s site, they either need to give people an option as to whether or not they want to keep the L or give them a discount if they are just going to remove it regardless. Or they need to just be honest about what the buyer will be getting when buying from the Tesla website. Or there should be legal ramifications for not honoring a legal agreement and for false advertising.

The words “Tesla” and “honest” don’t really go hand in hand.

Walk away.
 

snorp

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As of a few minutes ago, there at 12 2016 P90DL’s for sale on Tesla’s website. Doesn’t seem like an official policy change but who knows. I suspect they found something concerning with the vehicle that you were interested in and decided it was in their best interest to remove ludicrous mode prior to sale. They likely did you a favor in the long run by preventing you from purchasing something that would cause headaches down the road.
 
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wildag

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Most states have some buyer protections about bait and switch around vehicles. Dealers usually have to honor the stated prices in their advertising or they can be sanctioned by the state. I’d assume (as a non-lawyer) that requirement includes the specifications of the vehicle.
Though most websites have some disclaimer in the terms of service that state all information is “best effort”
 
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gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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As of a few minutes ago, there at 12 2016 P90DL’s for sale on Tesla’s website. Doesn’t seem like an official policy change but who knows. I suspect they found something concerning with the vehicle that you were interested in and decided it was in their best interest to remove ludicrous mode prior to sale. They likely did you a favor in the long run by preventing you from purchasing something that would cause headaches down the road.
Like I said, they still had P90DLs on the Tesla site, but Tesla was saying that those would also have the ludicrous mode removed. ‍
 
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gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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Nebraska
To add insult to injury, I actually was told today that, despite the order agreement and despite their telling me the car was on the way to Littleton so that I could pick it up this weekend, the car was actually incorrectly placed on the Tesla site as an available car and that it is actually a vehicle they use as a loaner so my order has to be cancelled. As a result, they offered to let me pick another used Model X and they will have it delivered to a place closer to me for free/will waive the $2,000, but this whole ordeal is not okay.
 

gatwinkus

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Nov 7, 2019
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17
Nebraska
Most states have some buyer protections about bait and switch around vehicles. Dealers usually have to honor the stated prices in their advertising or they can be sanctioned by the state. I’d assume (as a non-lawyer) that requirement includes the specifications of the vehicle.
Though most websites have some disclaimer in the terms of service that state all information is “best effort”
Maybe I’ll have to dig a little further into Tesla’s site to see if I somehow missed the disclaimer.
 

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