neroden
Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan
Brian, I was referring to this. See note 2.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0ahUKEwjB1dqeruLQAhVmzoMKHQRTBHoQFghPMAs&url=http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/2713334817x0x683938/21f1fee5-a449-4171-b459-24bee1e62c7e/Potential%20Dilutive%20Shares%20for%202013%20Convert%20and%20Warrants.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEeId5dcbhi2hqi4DO2CWz_7FAEsg&bvm=bv.140496471,d.amc
I know what I'm talking about. You're quoting stuff I've already read. You seem seriously befuddled and unable to understand what I've written. This is the last time I'm going to explain it to you slowly; next time, read carefully.
It's worth noting that in March 2018 there will either be an *antidilutive effect* from Tesla's exercise of the hedges (countering the theoretical dilution which already took place from the early conversion of the $440 million in notes, if that was settled in stock, *and it's not 100% clear to me whether it was*), *or* Tesla will choose to take the hedge profits in cash at that time and it will improve cash flow. They apparently could choose either, but it's not entirely clear because we don't know the exact terms of the hedges (perhaps it has to match up with what the note-converters chose, *we don't know*).
The warrants are an entirely separate transaction albeit with the same counterparies (so there are three transactions here: convertible notes, hedges, and warrants) and their dilution has already happened.
(1) Tesla could have settled the early conversion obligations for shares, and the warrants could have been NOT exercised yet (this seems relatively likely, as the warrant holders would want to retain the time value of the warrants)
(2) Tesla could have settled the early conversion obligations for cash, and a corresponding proportion of the warrants could have been exercised (this seems less likely but possible)
The way to check would be to check whether there was cash flow outgoing in excess of the $440 million used during the early conversion. If there wasn't, we're in scenario #1: the warrants are still outstanding and the hedges haven't paid off yet. Come March 2018, the warrants will probably be executed causing additional dilution. Again, come March 2018 hedges may be executed for their antidilutive value (which is equal to the dilution caused by the warrants, or equal to the dilution caused by the notes, whichever you prefer), or they may be executed to raise cash (allowing the increased / doubled dilution to happen).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0ahUKEwjB1dqeruLQAhVmzoMKHQRTBHoQFghPMAs&url=http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/2713334817x0x683938/21f1fee5-a449-4171-b459-24bee1e62c7e/Potential%20Dilutive%20Shares%20for%202013%20Convert%20and%20Warrants.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEeId5dcbhi2hqi4DO2CWz_7FAEsg&bvm=bv.140496471,d.amc
I know what I'm talking about. You're quoting stuff I've already read. You seem seriously befuddled and unable to understand what I've written. This is the last time I'm going to explain it to you slowly; next time, read carefully.
It's worth noting that in March 2018 there will either be an *antidilutive effect* from Tesla's exercise of the hedges (countering the theoretical dilution which already took place from the early conversion of the $440 million in notes, if that was settled in stock, *and it's not 100% clear to me whether it was*), *or* Tesla will choose to take the hedge profits in cash at that time and it will improve cash flow. They apparently could choose either, but it's not entirely clear because we don't know the exact terms of the hedges (perhaps it has to match up with what the note-converters chose, *we don't know*).
The warrants are an entirely separate transaction albeit with the same counterparies (so there are three transactions here: convertible notes, hedges, and warrants) and their dilution has already happened.
This sentence doesn't make sense and shows that you're confused. One of two things could have happened:If you were to reconcile the shares outstanding reported in the 10Q and S-4As, it shows Tesla issued shares to settle the early conversion obligations above the $184.48 hedge.
(1) Tesla could have settled the early conversion obligations for shares, and the warrants could have been NOT exercised yet (this seems relatively likely, as the warrant holders would want to retain the time value of the warrants)
(2) Tesla could have settled the early conversion obligations for cash, and a corresponding proportion of the warrants could have been exercised (this seems less likely but possible)
The way to check would be to check whether there was cash flow outgoing in excess of the $440 million used during the early conversion. If there wasn't, we're in scenario #1: the warrants are still outstanding and the hedges haven't paid off yet. Come March 2018, the warrants will probably be executed causing additional dilution. Again, come March 2018 hedges may be executed for their antidilutive value (which is equal to the dilution caused by the warrants, or equal to the dilution caused by the notes, whichever you prefer), or they may be executed to raise cash (allowing the increased / doubled dilution to happen).
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