Wall connector

[gettingstarted]

I am waiting for my MY. Status is in “drafting your contract”. Is it too early to order a wall charger or wait until the delivery date? 18ft connector has been out of stock for a long time. At the time of the car delivery, will they source me a 18ft connector?

 

[Monkey]

Yeah, you better get on that charger thing. Out of stock online, but talk to your delivery specialist as you should have one assigned if you’re in the contract phase. Some of the delivery centers are trying to keep extra stock for people picking up new cars.

The wall charger with the 18ft cord was in stock briefly the other day, I got the email notification, and they were sold out again before I could load the page and order. Lol. If you’re not going to wire up the full wall connector, there’s also the charge cable that has the 14-50 connector permanently wired to it that will charge at 40A. The standard one with interchangeable connectors only charges up to 32A. The new wall charger will charge up to 48A if installed on a 60A circuit.

 

[BluestarE3]

If the Model Y is like the Model 3, it will be delivered with a Mobile Connector and a 120V plug adapter that you can use to charge your car. If you have an existing 220V outlet nearby, you can purchase the appropriate plug adapter for around $35 to enable faster charging via your Mobile Connector. There's a possibility your local sales/service center may have a Wall Connector available for purchase, but don't count on it. Your best bet is to put your e-mail address down to be notified when the Wall Connector returns to stock and jump on it right away.

If your car arrives before you can get a Wall Connector and have it installed, use the Mobile Connector and/or Supercharging (if available locally) as stopgaps.

 

[Electric Steve]

Yeah, you better get on that charger thing. Out of stock online, but talk to your delivery specialist as you should have one assigned if you’re in the contract phase. Some of the delivery centers are trying to keep extra stock for people picking up new cars.

The wall charger with the 18ft cord was in stock briefly the other day, I got the email notification, and they were sold out again before I could load the page and order. Lol. If you’re not going to wire up the full wall connector, there’s also the charge cable that has the 14-50 connector permanently wired to it that will charge at 40A. The standard one with interchangeable connectors only charges up to 32A. The new wall charger will charge up to 48A if installed on a 60A circuit.

Could you clarify about whether the Wall Charger that goes to 48A plugs into a socket or is wired directly?

 

[Monkey]

Could you clarify about whether the Wall Charger that goes to 48A plugs into a socket or is wired directly?

The gen-3 wall charger is intended to be wired directly. You can only charge up to 80% of the circuit you’re connected to. This is the limit for continuous draw and is per electric code so you don’t overload the circuit and burn down your house if there’s a surge or other failure.

The mobile connector included with the car will charge up to 32A if connected to a 40A or 50A circuit with the appropriate plug adapters. They have a mobile connector that comes with a NEMA 14-50 plug and does not interchange, it will charge up to 40A (maximum rate on a 50A circuit). The wall charger is the one you mount on the wall and directly wire. Older versions of it had higher capacity, but this newest one (the white one) is limited to 48A charging on a 60A circuit. All current Tesla vehicles charge at up to 48A via AC power.

 

[Electric Steve]

The gen-3 wall charger is intended to be wired directly. You can only charge up to 80% of the circuit you’re connected to. This is the limit for continuous draw and is per electric code so you don’t overload the circuit and burn down your house if there’s a surge or other failure.

The mobile connector included with the car will charge up to 32A if connected to a 40A or 50A circuit with the appropriate plug adapters. They have a mobile connector that comes with a NEMA 14-50 plug and does not interchange, it will charge up to 40A (maximum rate on a 50A circuit). The wall charger is the one you mount on the wall and directly wire. Older versions of it had higher capacity, but this newest one (the white one) is limited to 48A charging on a 60A circuit. All current Tesla vehicles charge at up to 48A via AC power.

Thank you. So if I want the (new) Wall Charger installed, I need a 60A circuit wired directly to it, and I'll get 48A of charging. If I want to have a NEMA 14-50 socket that I can plug the portable charger in, then I'm limited to 40A and there's no point getting more than a 50A circuit.

Based on a discussion elsewhere on this forum, I won't need GFCI for the Wall Charger because it's built in, but I'll need it for NEMA 14-50 due to code.

 

[iCeMaNxLb]

Yes, the other week I had email notification (make sure you sign up to get notified when they are back in stock) - I immediately bought it and it ran out of stock within a few hours - the 18 foot one.

• takes about 1 week to get it delivered
• you have to scout various installers to come out and get several quotes
• schedule an installation date and make sure you apply for a permit (some installers do this for you for a price)

i rather just have my wall charger installed prior to deliver (hopefully within the next 2 weeks!)

 

[TKJD0817]

All depends on the miles you drive & how often.

14-50 with mobile connector will give you up to 30mi/hr. Only costs about $40 for the 14-50 adapter (max of about $70 if you have to buy from EVSE), plus socket installation. Plus if you move, you won't have to get it removed.

The wall charger will charge up to 44mi/hr. But it will cost you $500 for the wall charger before installation. But you'll have to get it removed if you have to move.

 

[Electric Steve]

All depends on the miles you drive & how often.

14-50 with mobile connector will give you up to 30mi/hr. Only costs about $40 for the 14-50 adapter (max of about $70 if you have to buy from EVSE), plus socket installation. Plus if you move, you won't have to get it removed.

The wall charger will charge up to 44mi/hr. But it will cost you $500 for the wall charger before installation. But you'll have to get it removed if you have to move.

I expect that much of the cost will be for installing the wiring. Whether it ends up attached to a cheap 14-50 adapter or the Power Wall does matter to the bottom line, but not as much.

Part of it, though, is that I want to be able to keep my mobile connector in my frunk (or in that storage pit in the back) and use it unless I'm away from home. This way, I can just plug the car in when I park and not have to fiddle with taking anything out or putting it away. I definitely don't want to get into the lazy habit of just leaving the portable charger behind.

 

[JRD1]

Thank you. So if I want the (new) Wall Charger installed, I need a 60A circuit wired directly to it, and I'll get 48A of charging. If I want to have a NEMA 14-50 socket that I can plug the portable charger in, then I'm limited to 40A and there's no point getting more than a 50A circuit.

Based on a discussion elsewhere on this forum, I won't need GFCI for the Wall Charger because it's built in, but I'll need it for NEMA 14-50 due to code.

This is mostly correct.

Not all Teslas can charge at 48A. Model 3 SR (including SR+) is limited to 32A - see Wall Connector. (SR+ is not listed on that link but you can see it in the specs portion of the Model 3 page)

The wall connector can be on a circuit UP TO 60A, not just 60A. Not all houses have enough spare capacity to allow a full 60A circuit. Again see the link above for how many miles you’d get at lower levels.

Also, keep in mind the wall connector uses 2 conductors and 1 ground - 14-50 uses 3 + 1 ground. So the wire cost is different for each. That and the difference in cost of a GFCI breaker can narrow the price difference.

 

[Electric Steve]

This is mostly correct.

Not all Teslas can charge at 48A. Model 3 SR (including SR+) is limited to 32A - see Wall Connector. (SR+ is not listed on that link but you can see it in the specs portion of the Model 3 page)

The wall connector can be on a circuit UP TO 60A, not just 60A. Not all houses have enough spare capacity to allow a full 60A circuit. Again see the link above for how many miles you’d get at lower levels.

Also, keep in mind the wall connector uses 2 conductors and 1 ground - 14-50 uses 3 + 1 ground. So the wire cost is different for each. That and the difference in cost of a GFCI breaker can narrow the price difference.

Thanks for the clarification. Let's see if I got this right:

• I've ordered a Model Y Performance, so it's an AWD long-range, not standard-range. I believe that means it can handle 48A.
• I understand the distinction between maximum and available. If I have the headroom for a 60A circuit, then I can get the full 48A continuous for charging. If not, I'll get proportionately less, but still a lot better than the 110V trickle charge.
• I'm sold on the Wall Charger. Looks like the wire it needs is not particularly expensive and I don't have a long run, so the main cost will be installation time.

 

[JRD1]

Thanks for the clarification. Let's see if I got this right:

• I've ordered a Model Y Performance, so it's an AWD long-range, not standard-range. I believe that means it can handle 48A.
• I understand the distinction between maximum and available. If I have the headroom for a 60A circuit, then I can get the full 48A continuous for charging. If not, I'll get proportionately less, but still a lot better than the 110V trickle charge.
• I'm sold on the Wall Charger. Looks like the wire it needs is not particularly expensive and I don't have a long run, so the main cost will be installation time.

I haven’t seen anything that specifically says 48A for Y Performance/AWD but that’s what I would assume too. Maybe it’s documented somewhere but I don’t recall seeing it anywhere.

I’m in the middle of installing my wall connector now. My local driving needs are low so a 120V charge has worked for me so far even if it’s not been ideal. I have a supercharger nearby if I ever needed a quicker charge. Plan on getting a second Tesla so it’s time to put in a faster charger. If I had a short wire run/simpler installation I would have done it sooner.

Price difference in wire vs for lower amps is relatively small so to me it’s worth running 60A capable wire even if you have to dial it back due to capacity constraints. My load calculation is close enough that I’m going to run lower amps for awhile to see what the true load is and maybe move it up later.

Enjoy your new Model Y!

 

[SoRandom]

Theres always the option of temp using the mobile connector till the hwpc comes in. There are also other brands of wall connectors to get although they cost more, ex: juicebox, charge point, clipper creek and what not. Make sure to do the email notification.

 

[Electric Steve]

I haven’t seen anything that specifically says 48A for Y Performance/AWD but that’s what I would assume too. Maybe it’s documented somewhere but I don’t recall seeing it anywhere.

I’m in the middle of installing my wall connector now. My local driving needs are low so a 120V charge has worked for me so far even if it’s not been ideal. I have a supercharger nearby if I ever needed a quicker charge. Plan on getting a second Tesla so it’s time to put in a faster charger. If I had a short wire run/simpler installation I would have done it sooner.

Price difference in wire vs for lower amps is relatively small so to me it’s worth running 60A capable wire even if you have to dial it back due to capacity constraints. My load calculation is close enough that I’m going to run lower amps for awhile to see what the true load is and maybe move it up later.

Enjoy your new Model Y!

Thanks. My situation is not so different from yours, except that I plan to have one car when I'm done. Good luck with your installation.

 

[jb401]

I am waiting on MY - don't have delivery date or vin yet, but scheduled garage install of 14-50 NEMA outlet for late April ($1,100 in Chicago, with needing to reach detached garage from house's main breaker). If you're sure you're getting the car, suggest making the install appointment as those can take some time to scope and schedule, too.

Real question: why do people prefer the Wall connector other than it looks cool? I just couldn't justify it. The speed differential can't really make that much of a difference. Is there another benefit I'm missing?

 

[SoRandom]

I am waiting on MY - don't have delivery date or vin yet, but scheduled garage install of 14-50 NEMA outlet for late April ($1,100 in Chicago, with needing to reach detached garage from house's main breaker). If you're sure you're getting the car, suggest making the install appointment as those can take some time to scope and schedule, too.

Real question: why do people prefer the Wall connector other than it looks cool? I just couldn't justify it. The speed differential can't really make that much of a difference. Is there another benefit I'm missing?

I'm wanting to leave the mobile connector in the car encase of need. I don't want to worry about remembering to grab it or not have it in a pinch.

 

[Electric Steve]

I am waiting on MY - don't have delivery date or vin yet, but scheduled garage install of 14-50 NEMA outlet for late April ($1,100 in Chicago, with needing to reach detached garage from house's main breaker). If you're sure you're getting the car, suggest making the install appointment as those can take some time to scope and schedule, too.

Real question: why do people prefer the Wall connector other than it looks cool? I just couldn't justify it. The speed differential can't really make that much of a difference. Is there another benefit I'm missing?

I can answer for myself, at least.

With a NEMA socket, I'd have to use my Portable Charger. I'd take it out when I get home, plug it in on both ends, then reverse this in the morning. With a Wall Connector, I do get faster charging, but I also get a permanently-mounted charger that is attached to the side of my house, letting me leave my Portable Charger in the frunk. And I'd lose the temptation to leave the Portable Charger behind.

FWIW, it's also Tesla's official recommendation. They didn't intend for the Portable Charger to be the primary way to charge the car.

 

[frankvb]

For me it's purely the convenience, coupled with the slightly higher charging speed. I connected the wall charger with a NEMA 14-50 (range) cord to plug into the existing 14-50 outlet.

 

[Kuro Houou]

I had a 30amp socket wired in my house 10 years ago when it was built. Should give me about 22 MPH which I think is fine, that's like 220 hours over night. If your driving 200+ miles a day then I'd say go for a nema 14-50 or the Tesla wall adapter. Or if you don't have anything and have to wire something might as well have them wire in a 50 or 60 amp while they are at it. But if you have something for like a dryer already, I don't really see the need for the big Tesla wall adapters, save yourself 250-500 dollars!

 

[Georgia_Y]

I am waiting on MY - don't have delivery date or vin yet, but scheduled garage install of 14-50 NEMA outlet for late April ($1,100 in Chicago, with needing to reach detached garage from house's main breaker). If you're sure you're getting the car, suggest making the install appointment as those can take some time to scope and schedule, too.

Real question: why do people prefer the Wall connector other than it looks cool? I just couldn't justify it. The speed differential can't really make that much of a difference. Is there another benefit I'm missing?

Because after spending $150k+ on two Tesla's, the $500 for a wall charger isn't a huge deal. Plus after a few hundred times of pulling out the travel charger and winding it back up I'm sure it will start to wear and need replaced.