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What components in a Tesla are made from fossil fuels?
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n.b the last few pages are the most relevant
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Not really ironic, given that fossil fuels are vegan.
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K.I.T.T.23
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I think you are asking the wrong question. Fossil Fuels is a generic term for non-renewable energy sources. components ≠ fuel/energy thus your question results in an ⚠︎.
Are you asking what components are derived from petrol products? The answer is approximately 775lbs, about the same as an ICE vehicle.
What would you like to extrapolate from this information @hooty ?
Are you asking what components are derived from petrol products? The answer is approximately 775lbs, about the same as an ICE vehicle.
What would you like to extrapolate from this information @hooty ?
RichardV
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You also have to wonder about Tesla's environmental choice over switching to vegan 'leather', particularly since the world seems to be moving to having a surplus supply of hides from its beef consumption.
www.latimes.com
America is obsessed with beef. But it has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge
A glut of cowhides has caused leather prices to plummet.
www.latimes.com
K.I.T.T.23
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I don't think we need to wonder about it honestly. It is a marketing move, not an environmental one.You also have to wonder about Tesla's environmental choice over switching to vegan 'leather', particularly since the world seems to be moving to having a surplus supply of hides from its beef consumption.
America is obsessed with beef. But it has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge
A glut of cowhides has caused leather prices to plummet.
"Vegan" sells, even if it is worse for the environment. Maybe "organic friendly" would market as well as vegan.
Wow, that is a heck of a lot of fossil fuels for an electric car.
I wonder how far Tesla is behind Polestar on this issue
RareEarth
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You forgot to quote the rest of that post:
Maybe you could enlighten us?
RareEarth
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Bit busy at the moment, need to go out and wash all the fossil fuels off my car.
As mentioned above the last few pages of Tesla's sustainability report may be relevant to this, perhaps you could start by finding Polestar's equivalent report and see what they say.
As mentioned above the last few pages of Tesla's sustainability report may be relevant to this, perhaps you could start by finding Polestar's equivalent report and see what they say.
Oil is only a fossil fuel when used as a fuel. It is possible to reuse the long carbon chains in plastics to make new plastics. With enough cheap energy those long carbon chains could be reused indefinitely to make new plastic products (energy is currently too expensive but will continue to drop with additional renewable capacity).
The reason so much plastic is found in cars is because of the weight savings that leads to fuel savings, using plastics can make a huge difference in the lifecycle impact.
Just read the Tesla sustainability report. But ultimately the plastic problem can only be solved long term by much cheaper than fossil energy.
The reason so much plastic is found in cars is because of the weight savings that leads to fuel savings, using plastics can make a huge difference in the lifecycle impact.
Just read the Tesla sustainability report. But ultimately the plastic problem can only be solved long term by much cheaper than fossil energy.
Tesla used to use Cow Leather in their cars, my 2014 Model S has cow leather, but were persuaded to change to “Vegan Leather“ as a result of shareholder action supported by PETA. So more an animal rights or response to shareholder concerns type reason. But I’m sure marketing benefits supported the move.
Tesla Moves to Fully Vegan, Leather-Free Interiors in Model 3 and Upcoming Model Y
A years-long, shareholder-led push to drive Tesla away from leather luxury is getting closer to reality.
www.caranddriver.com
You're throwing around a bit of mis-information. I've directly cited teslas impact statement which answers your question. You just need to read it.
Their impact statement explains that fossil use is upstream from tesla in material refinement, which they need to bring inhouse eventually.
This is the polestar report: https://www.polestar.com/dato-assets/11286/1682594257-polestar_sustainabilityreport_2022_eng.pdf
On page 28 it looks like almost 30 CO2e per car for polstar, whereas with the tesla report its actually stated in grams (gCO2e) at 68? It seems crazy that tesla produces many thousands of times less emissions than polstar so maybe i dont understant the units correctly
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Tesla on page 57, 37 ton CO2e per vehicle
Polestar on page 29, 45 ton CO2e per vehicle
I think this is reasonably similar since they have taken different energy source for the estimation.
That’s lifetime co2. I was just looking at the manufactuing which was op question.
In that case would be roughly 16 for tesla and 18 for polestar. Rough estimate from the graph.
K.I.T.T.23
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Yep, 100%. Sure, PETA (can't stand that organization...) did the persuasion, but I think Tesla was easily swayed as the Vegan leather is looked at as more sustainable (maybe false?).Tesla used to use Cow Leather in their cars, my 2014 Model S has cow leather, but were persuaded to change to “Vegan Leather“ as a result of shareholder action supported by PETA. So more an animal rights or response to shareholder concerns type reason. But I’m sure marketing benefits supported the move.
Tesla Moves to Fully Vegan, Leather-Free Interiors in Model 3 and Upcoming Model Y
A years-long, shareholder-led push to drive Tesla away from leather luxury is getting closer to reality.
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