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What is the difference between 70 vs 70D MPGe? Which one should I get?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by ucla107, Mar 10, 2016.

  1. ucla107

    ucla107 Member

    Mar 10, 2016
    Los Angeles, CA
    I've been a fly on the wall on these forums for a while now, and just now getting more serious about getting into a MS... My question is, what's the MPGe difference between the 70 and the 70D. The AWD function isn't really important to me since I live in LA and will hardly need to use AWD... For me, it's more about what's more efficient, and pricing (I mean $5k is still a big chunk of change).

    I was only able to find the comparison with the 70D and the rest of the models. Tesla Model S - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Acceleration isn't really too high on my list either (coming from a Prius :) What are other pros and cons on the 70 vs 70D? Thanks!
  2. ForeverFree

    ForeverFree Supporting Member

    Jul 9, 2015
    Sherman Oaks, CA
    Live in LA area, as well (SF Valley).

    Even in the dry, D handles better under acceleration. (Had a non-D P85 loaner and found it a little squirrelly getting onto the freeway.)

    D is also wonderful in the snow up in local mountains or at Mammoth. Handles like a champ.

    A significant portion of the extra $5K will be recovered at re-sale.

    On the flip side, non-Ds have an awesomely-larger frunk!

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    Wouldn't worry about the MPGe difference. If you set yourself up to charge at home at DWP's best off-peak EV rate, you will spend very little on "gas." I drive quite a bit (close to 1500 miles/month) and average about $50/month on electricity.
  3. mblakele

    mblakele pre-jackpot member

    Mar 7, 2016
    SF Bay Area
    The 70D should be just a little more efficient than the 70: officially 240 vs 230 miles of range.

    I suspect that with D the motors may last longer, because each should experience less stress than a single motor would. But it will be years before we have data on that.
  4. David J

    David J Member

    Sep 23, 2015
    Merritt Island, FL
    I would not get D unless you need it for snow. Extra cost, something else to go wrong, extra whine, smaller frunk and a little torque steer also. That's what I found. You should drive both back to back and see for yourself.
  5. Electricfan

    Electricfan Active Member

    Aug 24, 2013
    Agree with David J. One more DU to fail. And I hate the feel of the front wheels pulling on the steering wheel. But I'm outvoted on this forum - but make your decision based on what you like driving. I grew up driving RWD so I prefer it.
  6. Mike K

    Mike K Member

    May 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    X3 on no D. Rear wheel drive cars are more fun and you don't need dual motors in LA.

    That's not handling; that's traction. Some people prefer the sportier dynamics of a rear wheel drive over an all wheel and one thing that's pretty commonly echoed about the dual motor cars (at least in reviews) is that they feel less sporty than the RWD cars. Even still, the Model S's traction control system keeps the car in check so that while you might get a little loose in the rear under hard acceleration, you're not in danger of losing control of the car.
  7. David_Cary

    David_Cary Member

    Dec 17, 2012
    Cary, NC
    Very few people NEED dual motors. But does it help on jumping into traffic on dry roads - sure. I love it. When it rains I really love it - I know you are in LA.

    I wouldn't get it for efficiency. If you want efficiency, wait for the 3. The 3% or so difference is hard to feel. $20 a year at best. Hard to overcome the DU manufacturing footprint with that if you are thinking environmentally.

    Traction is part of handling. Handling is not defined solely by lateral g acceleration - it is the entirety of how the car reacts when driving. Ah the forever AWD/RWD debate. Doesn't sound like that is the OP's concern anyway. I mean a Prius ....

    That being said, my last car was a Civic hybrid ... and sometimes I wish I had a 85D for the acceleration. Just because you make the environmentally sensible choice, does not mean you don't like to move... and you justify it by impressing someone who might buy an EV and it goes on...

    Think how many solar panels $5k would buy. Enough to power an S if your costs are low.
  8. chriSharek

    chriSharek Member

    Feb 19, 2015
    Sarasota, FL
    The D provides additional regeneration on the braking too. This will reduce your brake wear, increase your range slightly, as well as increase the resale value.

    Looking at the trends (the 90 doesn't come in RWD) I suspect the RWD vehicles will be a thing of the past in the not so distant future - another reason to get the D for the additional $5k.
  9. jbcarioca

    jbcarioca Active Member

    Feb 3, 2015
    I lived in LA (90274) for a decade during which I had both a RWD and a 4WD Porsche. Thus I may have some slight perspective even though those are not equivalent to the Model S at all. I do have a P85D and have driven quite a lot in RWD Model S also, including both in LA. I agree that AWD is not really strictly necessary, and that there is a slight advantage in energy efficient from AWD. However, if you ever do travel to, say, Mammoth in the winter or anywhere else in the mountains the AWD will be very useful. A couple people have already mentioned resale value, which could be a factor as AWD rapidly is becoming the norm for Model S. If price is an issue I'd consider an 'inventory' D because they do have sometimes substantial discounts from new orders. At the moment it seems they have few options with more than 50 miles showing but there are constant changes. Check if you're curious. For that matter you might find the 70's interesting too, and they're cheaper than the 70D's of course.

    When I ordered my new car I ended out buying an inventory car instead and saved quite a bit of money. It's always nice to reduce initial depreciation by a little bit. CPO is also possible but you'll not have incentives and tax advantages with CPO's.

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