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The correct answer to the question "When Tesla will catch up with Waymo and Cruise at delivering L4?" is .... Tesla has already caught up ! Infact so have all other companies.
Number of vehicles Waymo and Cruise have delivered at L4 : 0
Number of vehicles Tesla has delivered at L4 : 0
Waymo and Cruise systems are supervised by control drivers.
So? Where are the delivered L4 cars ?You have not been much in San Francisco lately, have you?
(L4 is not sci-fi any more, you see them daily driving around with no driver)
This is like saying the Taxi industry and stuff like Uber is not scalable, but they operate everywhere. If you can have actual drivers operating taxis around the world, why not a Robotaxi with remote monitoring?Yeah this poll is BS.
Waymo and Cruise systems are supervised by control drivers. Those drivers are just not present in the vehicle but operate from a distance. That is why these systems can only be used by a minimal amount of users: there have to be enough control drivers.
Also these systems rely on expensive hardware and HD maps.
What these criticisms have in common: they are NOT scalable. Ever.
So when will Tesla catch up to Waymo/Cruise? Never. The current FSD beta is arguably already better than Waymo/Cruise.
But you are not answering the fundamental question. Today Waymo is offering a robotaxi experience. It's meaningless to me but it exist and might matter to someone in San Fran or other geo fenced city. It would be neat to try it out actually. That said if I had a Tesla I could get an incredible driver assist package but I will never be able to get out of the drivers seat (if I had the beta fsd that is limited to 60k people and kept my driving score perfect). Get out of the drivers seat is my goal, I want a chauffeur but am a poor forester. For Tesla to even contemplate getting a driver out of the front seat (level does not matter this is what matters) they will have to have a new hardware stack and 2 new cameras (ok- most likely 2). The way that Tesla iterates I could see them needing to go through 2 hardware revisions. They're going to have to recall cars to physically modify vehicles if they expect any current vehicle to achieve L4. These are all fairly safe and really not controvertible statements. Until new hardware rolls out the answer is that Tesla is both soaring ahead but falling behind.It’s not changing the subject. It’s pointing out the flawed logic/assumption of the question. I’m not sure how to make this more clear than others and I have repeated ad nauseam: Tesla seems to be going for all cities, not geo-bound/select cities.
Perhaps you’d understand if you think about the question: “It’s quite simple. When will Waymo or Cruise have a car that can drive people around in any city’s streets without a driver?”
We have answered the fundamental question. You just aren’t liking the answer: because of Tesla’s different approach to autonomous vehicles, it seems they will have a robotaxi service in US cities when they’re confident of being able to drive autonomously in cities across the USA.But you are not answering the fundamental question. Today Waymo is offering a robotaxi experience. It's meaningless to me but it exist and might matter to someone in San Fran or other geo fenced city. It would be neat to try it out actually. That said if I had a Tesla I could get an incredible driver assist package but I will never be able to get out of the drivers seat (if I had the beta fsd that is limited to 60k people and kept my driving score perfect). Get out of the drivers seat is my goal, I want a chauffeur but am a poor forester. For Tesla to even contemplate getting a driver out of the front seat (level does not matter this is what matters) they will have to have a new hardware stack and 2 new cameras (ok- most likely 2). The way that Tesla iterates I could see them needing to go through 2 hardware revisions. They're going to have to recall cars to physically modify vehicles if they expect any current vehicle to achieve L4. These are all fairly safe and really not controvertible statements. Until new hardware rolls out the answer is that Tesla is both soaring ahead but falling behind.
I don't see anyway the current hardware is going to get the driver out of the front seat and as @Knightrider007 stated Tesla stopped selling FSD that promised to do so.
Here is your answer - provided by Cruise CEO.But you are not answering the fundamental question.
Self deception is deep in here.The current FSD beta is arguably already better than Waymo/Cruise.
Hard to believe but apparently some people actually think FSD will get a lot better magically within a year.
Don't underestimate Elon!Hard to believe but apparently some people actually think FSD will get a lot better magically within a year.
I think they have not looked at the current disengagement rate to realize we need 100x to 1000x improvement.
This is like saying the Taxi industry and stuff like Uber is not scalable, but they operate everywhere. If you can have actual drivers operating taxis around the world, why not a Robotaxi with remote monitoring?
If we're talking FSD as a personal chauffeur then obviously it could never scale to consume every vehicle on the road, but a Robotaxi service is supposed to supplant the Taxi industry and then some. I don't think Elon/Tesla's vision of FSD is as a personal chauffeur...
I was thinking about Elon's statements around FSD creating the biggest asset value increase in history and how this would vary hugely depending on context, because a FSD-enabled Tesla in a huge, busy, and vehicle-unfriendly city like NYC will produce far better returns than a FSD-enabled Tesla in rural Kansas. Whenever this vision is realized, the real impact and value increase will depend on many factors.