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Transferable with the owner makes more sense to me and promotes brand loyalty/repeat customerMight be different if I could transfer FSD to a future purchase.
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Transferable with the owner makes more sense to me and promotes brand loyalty/repeat customerMight be different if I could transfer FSD to a future purchase.
I've come to realise that those attributes aren't in Tesla's list.Transferable with the owner makes more sense to me and promotes brand loyalty/repeat customer
Then add in all the roadster deposits (some up to $250k) and you have some decent working capital for free.I've come to realise that those attributes aren't in Tesla's list.
Say they sell a million cars, and 20% of buyers opt for FSD. If they paid say an average of AU$8000 that's over 1 1/2 BILLION Aussie dollars received to develop or experiment with FSD.
Just grasping numbers out of thin air, yes - but whatever the actual numbers are, it's a huge sum!
Nio are making impressive EV’s in direct competition with Tesla. They are shooting for level 4 Fsd this year. I give Tesla until 2025 (when Nio becomes available in Australia) to hit level 4 or 5 and no more bullshit regarding who is allowed to access FSD based on some kind of driver safety algorithm. Elon Musk says FSD will hit level 4 this year but it’s a shame he makes a lot of false predictions. I bought it, I want it and should have a right to have it.Suspect that will be Europe only
It's LHD and uses a standardised set of road signs across Europe.
Aus/NZ and the UK being RHD, and having a hybrid of Euro and US signs are more difficult.
China is different again as Tesla uses very different underlying maps.
Pretty much my thinking with my 18mth old TM3.
Might be different if I could transfer FSD to a future purchase.
Curious what the ACL would say on a potential refund for non-deliveryI bought it, I want it and should have a right to have it
If you give it a second's thought it's the only logical way.Autonomous-car 'users not legally accountable' call
Major legal changes needed for driverless car era
The company behind the driving system would be responsible, rather than the driver says Law Commission.www.bbc.co.uk
Human drivers should not be legally accountable for road safety in the era of autonomous cars, a report says.
In these cars, the driver should be redefined as a "user-in-charge", with very different legal responsibilities, according to the law commissions for England and Wales, and Scotland.
If anything goes wrong, the company behind the driving system would be responsible, rather than the driver.
Note, however, that the report also basically said this was for L5 cars (and pretty much said that was the only autonomous car they would consider).Autonomous-car 'users not legally accountable' call
Major legal changes needed for driverless car era
The company behind the driving system would be responsible, rather than the driver says Law Commission.www.bbc.co.uk
Human drivers should not be legally accountable for road safety in the era of autonomous cars, a report says.
In these cars, the driver should be redefined as a "user-in-charge", with very different legal responsibilities, according to the law commissions for England and Wales, and Scotland.
If anything goes wrong, the company behind the driving system would be responsible, rather than the driver.
you get lots of promises from Elon that you’ll get a lot more really soonJust to clarify, if you've paid $10k for FSD in Australia, what do you actually get, today?
A car that will lane follow and keep distance from the car in front on roads that are not closed highways. On closed highways it will also change lanes to pass slower traffic and take you off the highway at the exit you have set in navigation.Just to clarify, if you've paid $10k for FSD in Australia, what do you actually get, today?
I have left in your message above all of the things that autopilot already does in my model S. (So note the quote above is not @hairymans original words). They are not FSD exclusive in many variants. Fairly much all I deleted was highway departure and auto lane changing. I have for example full summon (love summon!) and parking as well as the very good collision avoidance system.A car that will lane follow and keep distance from the car in front on roads that are not closed highways.
It parks itself quite well at the moment - parallel as well as backing in to perpendicular spots.
phantom braking.
You also have summon, which I mainly use if having parked the car needs to go forward or back a bit. Mainly it gets used to out the car back a bit further in my carport when I am mowing to avoid stone chips. I have also used it when I have had cars park very close on either side in shopping centre car parks. I did use it once to bring the car across a large open car park to me, but I confess that was just to see what would happen - it was a bit off putting seeing it start up and manoeuvre along the lanes to get to me.
Others will note quite different experiences with the phantom braking and I accept what they say. Things seem to be steadily improving with the current technology.
I do find I am much less tired on long drives when I am using it, although that may be a learning thing. It takes a bit of time to understand the way the car drives and to anticipate when the current driving algorithm is going to struggle with conditions (poor marking, poor contrast, multiple vehicles converging etc).
It has bumped me out of danger on one occasion when another car blundered I to my lane from the lane next to me. That was pretty startling for everyone concerned - me, with a sudden jolt to the wheel; my passenger, with the car making a warning sound and the traffic icons turning red; and the muppet with their head their phone realising what they had done.
I assume there is probably also legal hiccups with releasing FSD in Aus. Austroads and other road safety government bodies would probably need to approve it's use, and Australia typically plays things pretty safe. We may have a long wait.
But noting that is "Enhanced Autopilot". The 3 is a cut-down featured version of what was on the S.autopilot already does in my model S
It’s a huge can of worms!
If you are in a TRUE self driving car - and by that I mean one without manual controls - then legally and logically the manufacture must assume liability.
If you are in Musk’s version of a FSD car (if it ever comes to fruition) and it was level 5 but WITH the controls still there that’s where the squirrelly bits enter the equation. What if the car hits someone and kills them? What if you think its about to hit someone and you disengage and it still hits them. Or you disengage, swerve and hit someone else? And so on.
Driver aid - present situation - pretty clearcut: driver responsible.
Level 5 FSD - pretty hypothetical IMO - also clearcut - Tesla responsible.
In the middle: a lawyer’s wet dream.