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Why are people buying new ICE cars?
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I visit rural places that are difficult in an EV. Both visiting property I own as well as doing landscape photography for fun. I probably should not rationally be using an EV.
In the future a model Y with a 25% range bump as well as more level 3 rural chargers will make EV more practical for more drivers.
The other reason I would not choose EV is sound, gears and weight. I greatly prefer the Boxster over the Roadster.
In the future a model Y with a 25% range bump as well as more level 3 rural chargers will make EV more practical for more drivers.
The other reason I would not choose EV is sound, gears and weight. I greatly prefer the Boxster over the Roadster.
whisperingshad
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Exelion
Member
Math! lol
yes, 3 seconds to plug in... and overnight to charge. Big difference.
Longer roadtrips are still a pain with EVs. Depending on each, 5 hours extra on a 1k mile trip, is not acceptable. I'm one of those. Since I got my Model S, I rented all sorts of cool ICE cars when going on longer roadtrips.
It charges about an hour or two every night, but what do I care how long it takes then. I'm sure I'm much more rested than you on your ICE car trips by letting Autopilot drive and getting out to stretch and walk around for 15 minutes every 2-3 hours of riding.
I just pull the cord off the wall and plug it in. Takes about 3 seconds total. It's fully charged when I need to drive again.
Again. Math! lol
I'd like to see an EV that you can charge for 15 mins - drive 3 hours - charge 15 mins - drive 3 hours and so on.
With autopilot yes, I don't disagree that you end up much more rested when you arrive but this is again personal preference. On my last long trip I had an Alfa Stelvio rented and it completely ruined me. In a good way. It's amazing how good it handles and it was a dream to drive.
Barklikeadog
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This is an interesting conversation. let me sum it up: Anyone who doesn't buy what I buy, is an idiot, dumb, stupid, etc etc etc.
There is such a disconnect between many of you and the rest of the country. Maybe stop looking down your nose and be a little more understanding.
43 million households are renters... 35% of the entire country.
Millions more own their homes, but have no garage or driveway, many park on the street.
Basically, for half the drivers out there, the ability to plug in an EV at night is impossible or incredibly inconvenient.
I have to laugh every time I see promo photos of the Tesla solar roof, or cgi pics of a house with Teslas in the drive. It's always a million dollar house,
with a $100k roof, and 200k of cars in the driveway. Ok, this isn't real life for most people. They can't afford a luxury auto, nor do they want to get a cheaper
EV the size of a tuna can. Tesla basically makes toys for white people who have 6 figure incomes.
Get some perspective and realize that insulting or lecturing others is no way to win them over. and please don't brag about getting a $7500 tax credit for buying a 90k luxury automobile.
There is such a disconnect between many of you and the rest of the country. Maybe stop looking down your nose and be a little more understanding.
43 million households are renters... 35% of the entire country.
Millions more own their homes, but have no garage or driveway, many park on the street.
Basically, for half the drivers out there, the ability to plug in an EV at night is impossible or incredibly inconvenient.
I have to laugh every time I see promo photos of the Tesla solar roof, or cgi pics of a house with Teslas in the drive. It's always a million dollar house,
with a $100k roof, and 200k of cars in the driveway. Ok, this isn't real life for most people. They can't afford a luxury auto, nor do they want to get a cheaper
EV the size of a tuna can. Tesla basically makes toys for white people who have 6 figure incomes.
Get some perspective and realize that insulting or lecturing others is no way to win them over. and please don't brag about getting a $7500 tax credit for buying a 90k luxury automobile.
whisperingshad
Active Member
!failedmath
gas cars fillup in minutes, EV in HOURS. Most people can't or don't want to wait or plan.
HappyDude
Member
This shows the great thing about electric vehicles, they can run on all of those energy sources.
Since you both live in California you might be interested in this California ISO - Supply If you can charge during daytime offpeak the renewable percentage is around 80%
Barklikeadog
Active Member
Tesla makes toys for 85% caucasion 75% male who make double to triple the average household income(depending on vehicle)
Better?
I guess my Vietnamese female wife, who works much harder than 'average' to make her 'better than average income' didn't know the car was not 'made for her'.
Also Elon's shenanigans put some off, and there aren't yet great EV solutions besides Tesla. Some he inspires, others he turns off. He has done both a different times. I feel over all his actions speak louder than words, but that's not so for everyone.
His actions & words on pedophilia, weed, and covid have been upsetting. Those aspects of his personality can be conflated with Tesla, and I don't think him tweeting about those topics helps accelerate us to a sustainable future.
His actions & words on pedophilia, weed, and covid have been upsetting. Those aspects of his personality can be conflated with Tesla, and I don't think him tweeting about those topics helps accelerate us to a sustainable future.
Barklikeadog
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jeffro01
Active Member
Can't buy cars that don't exist... Current S/X debacle is a perfect example. My X lease is up in September and I had planned on leasing another one but looks like Tesla screwed up yet again and that won't be an option. Not many other options out there for what I need so I'll probably end up with a Jeep Gladiator or something along those lines. Do I want to buy an ICE? Not really but again, you can't buy what doesn't exist...
Jeff
Jeff
Silicon Desert
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hmmm, I guess we had a different reaction. I didn't take it that the person was bullying in that post. Just that he was trying to get you to see why different people have different needs. Stay around. You'll learn more from smart people here.
finman100
Member
people who never drive a road trip in a Tesla have no idea about how nice it is. good grief, no one in the tesla world is charging for hours at a time to finish a 500 mile road trip! THIS kind of FUD is exactly why EVs are being mis-represented to the masses.
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