There is nothing factual about your comments on suspension, it is all matter of preference and personal feel.
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Why does Tesla suspension suck so bad?
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sleepydoc
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No, but @goin2drt’s statement that the Model Y Long Range has ‘performance’ in it’s name is factually wrong. As was his statement that a Kia doesn’t perform as well as the MY. DId you miss that?
Not talking about him, I am talking about you walking circles up in here trying to convince others that Y suspension sucks. It might feel that way for you but not Necessarily for me or him.
Heh, I had almost the opposite experience last fall. Tesla had only Model Y demos. I didn't like the ride or wind noise of the MYLR we tested, and they said Model 3 basically drove the same, so we wrote off the 3 and ordered a Polestar 2 Performance.
Fast forward a week or two later, Tesla restocked their demo fleet, we go test drive a Model 3...and within like 50 feet I realize we're going to cancel the P2P order and buy an M3P instead.
(Actually following through with that took another day of waffling, it wasn't an easy decision as we liked the P2P quite a lot too, but ultimately the Model 3 won out and it was definitely the right choice for us.)
@sleepydoc
Here is my post for you in which you were not using "facts". However you state I was not.
"Love how you pick and choose to help your narrative, just like CNN.
So you take the slower MY 0-60 to compare numbers to the faster model of the Mach - E
Mach - E straight from Ford's website.
0-60 MPH details for 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select
5.2 Seconds
Std. Range Battery and eAWD
Mach-E GT their fastest version is 3.5 seconds while the MYP is also 3.5 seconds. So actually in your comparison the Mach-E is slower.
Now again from Google on the Ioniq 5 you would be wrong as well - Here you go. "The Ioniq 5 with the long-range battery and rear-wheel drive can hit 60 mph in 7.4 seconds, though the much more powerful all-wheel-drive (AWD) version scoots to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds, which is not far from the base Model Y's spec." - source insideevs
Again slower than the Y.
Didn't even google the Audi as I already proved my point.
Sadly your arguments don't hold up."
I gave you all the sources. Never said anything about the Kia performance as that was not in your comparisons of taking the slower Tesla and comparing it to the highest level of the others. However if you want to compare your beloved Kia we can.
This is from insideEVS. 2022 Kia EV6 US Specs Compared: Battery, Range, Price And More
The top of the line GT is stated that it will do 0-60 in 3.5 SAME AS THE MYP Let's make sure we compare performance to performance not the highest level of one to the lowest level of the other.
The MYLR is 4.8 which is faster than all of the below.
Basic specs
Here is my post for you in which you were not using "facts". However you state I was not.
"Love how you pick and choose to help your narrative, just like CNN.
So you take the slower MY 0-60 to compare numbers to the faster model of the Mach - E
Mach - E straight from Ford's website.
0-60 MPH details for 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select
5.2 Seconds
Std. Range Battery and eAWD
Mach-E GT their fastest version is 3.5 seconds while the MYP is also 3.5 seconds. So actually in your comparison the Mach-E is slower.
Now again from Google on the Ioniq 5 you would be wrong as well - Here you go. "The Ioniq 5 with the long-range battery and rear-wheel drive can hit 60 mph in 7.4 seconds, though the much more powerful all-wheel-drive (AWD) version scoots to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds, which is not far from the base Model Y's spec." - source insideevs
Again slower than the Y.
Didn't even google the Audi as I already proved my point.
Sadly your arguments don't hold up."
I gave you all the sources. Never said anything about the Kia performance as that was not in your comparisons of taking the slower Tesla and comparing it to the highest level of the others. However if you want to compare your beloved Kia we can.
This is from insideEVS. 2022 Kia EV6 US Specs Compared: Battery, Range, Price And More
The top of the line GT is stated that it will do 0-60 in 3.5 SAME AS THE MYP Let's make sure we compare performance to performance not the highest level of one to the lowest level of the other.
The MYLR is 4.8 which is faster than all of the below.
Basic specs
| Model | Drive | Battery (kWh) | EPA Range | 0-60 mph (sec) | Top Speed |
| 2022 Kia EV6 Light RWD SR 19" | RWD | 58 | 232 mi (373 km) | 8.0 | 115 mph (185 km/h) |
| 2022 Kia EV6 Wind RWD LR 19" | RWD | 77.4 | 310 mi (499 km) | 7.2 | 115 mph (185 km/h) |
| 2022 Kia EV6 Wind AWD LR 19" | AWD | 77.4 | 274 mi (441 km) | 5.1 | 117 mph (188 km/h) |
| 2022 Kia EV6 GT-Line RWD LR 19" | RWD | 77.4 | 310 mi (499 km) | 7.2 | 115 mph (185 km/h) |
| 2022 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD LR 19" | AWD | 77.4 | 274 mi (441 km) | 5.1 | 117 mph (188 km/h) |
| 2022 Kia EV6 First Edition AWD LR 20" | AWD | 77.4 | 265 mi* (426 km) | 5.1 | 117 mph (188 km/h) |
Again your facts are wrong, your assertions about me stating the wrong facts are incorrect. You are a troll and I am done with your nonsense so now on the ignore list because you just don't get it and love to troll.(Fortunately, the cabin of my MYLR is quieter than all the noise being generated here...sigh...)
Based on what I've read in these forums lately, I think the excessive wind noise in that MYLR we tested was an issue with that car, not with all 2021+ Model Y. I didn't know that at the time though.
Both Model 3's we tested were significantly quieter on the highway so it seemed like a 3 vs Y difference, but now I've read reports of some new Model 3's having the same wind noise issue as that Y we tested, where it's really loud from the front of the roof. And some 2022 Y's reportedly have it too, but certainly not all...probably (hopefully!) most are fine.
Seems like it's still luck of the draw with Tesla assembly inconsistency.
Thankfully the 3 we bought doesn't have the excessive wind noise issue either. Everything felt and sounded exactly like the M3P we tested, no surprises. (Well it did have two minor build issues, but simple ones for mobile service to fix, not like a misaligned roof.)
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sleepydoc
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I intentionally didn't respond to your earlier post and I'll make a very limited response now -
My post from earlier was specific to what I quoted. With the post you are digging up, I specially said 'in the same ball park' and compared the numbers to the MY LR which I drive because the point isn't which car is fastest, it's whether it's possible to have a better suspension in a fast heavy car.
With that I'm done trying to deal with pedants.
Right, but the point is you still buy the car for other reasons right? This whole test drive nonsense is irrelevant.
sleepydoc
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well, it's a way of blaming the consumer instead of Tesla and shifting the focus of the conversation...
What's interesting is for all the people crowing about how 'it's a performance suspension,' I've seen more than one person state that if you actually push it it actually isn't that good as a performance suspension either.
I'm trying to find someone local that has the MPP upgrade and/or 18/45 tires so I can compare to see the difference. you're right, though - the car has a lot of other positives. It's not like I'm driving a Chrysler 200...
No one blaming consumer. Opinion on suspension is just that opinion. Some don’t like while others do. Just like V10-V11 thing. You always trying to paint like if something you don’t like about Tesla has to be universally accepted as a Tesla flaw. While most of the time it just difference in opinions and preferences between different set of people. As I said 10 million times “You can’t make everyone happy”
Just rest drove a 2022 MYP (Michelin A/S tires) again this weekend but this time with my wife and 2 month old baby in the back.
For the test drive, we spent about an hour on roughly paved Toronto roads and on and off the highway.
I had not told my wife beforehand that the suspension could be stiff because I wanted her unbiased opinion about the ride quality. So when I asked her what she thought after the drive, and she confirmed that the ride quality was great and was excited for a family road trip.
I can confidently say that both my wife and I thought the ride was very comfortable! This particular MYP was no stiffer than my Audi Q5 w/ 21 inch wheels.
I am not sure what people expect out of the ride experience or suspension, but in our opinion after two separate test MYP drives the ride quality is great and handles bumps really well and the suspension feels confident. It’s even great for our little one, no complaints and she didn’t seem uncomfortable even over rough roads. I actually much prefer the overall driving experience and ride quality of the MYP over my Q5.
For the test drive, we spent about an hour on roughly paved Toronto roads and on and off the highway.
I had not told my wife beforehand that the suspension could be stiff because I wanted her unbiased opinion about the ride quality. So when I asked her what she thought after the drive, and she confirmed that the ride quality was great and was excited for a family road trip.
I can confidently say that both my wife and I thought the ride was very comfortable! This particular MYP was no stiffer than my Audi Q5 w/ 21 inch wheels.
I am not sure what people expect out of the ride experience or suspension, but in our opinion after two separate test MYP drives the ride quality is great and handles bumps really well and the suspension feels confident. It’s even great for our little one, no complaints and she didn’t seem uncomfortable even over rough roads. I actually much prefer the overall driving experience and ride quality of the MYP over my Q5.
Just drove 140 highway/country road miles south of Dallas, 2019 Avalon Hybrid Limited, 22k miles, OEM 235/45-18 Bridgestone Turanza EL440 tires, 44psi. (HAHAHA: BOTTOM of the TireRack chart!!!! Also, more $$$ than higher rated tires. Go figure!)
Busy, fussy, sharp expansion cracks, lots of body mvmt at 70mph on reasonably new but uneven concrete. Rather annoying ride, never feels "planted".
My 2021 MYLR, at 25k miles, OEM ContiPros 19s, MPP coilovers, is less busy, for sure, much more controlled at cruising speed. ALWAYS feels stable and "planted."
I much prefer the Tesla MYLR, VIN 88xxx, with MPP coilovers. My wife prefers the Avalon, with it's marginally quieter cabin.
YMMV. So many variables.
Busy, fussy, sharp expansion cracks, lots of body mvmt at 70mph on reasonably new but uneven concrete. Rather annoying ride, never feels "planted".
My 2021 MYLR, at 25k miles, OEM ContiPros 19s, MPP coilovers, is less busy, for sure, much more controlled at cruising speed. ALWAYS feels stable and "planted."
I much prefer the Tesla MYLR, VIN 88xxx, with MPP coilovers. My wife prefers the Avalon, with it's marginally quieter cabin.
YMMV. So many variables.
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sleepydoc
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I’ve driven a Q5 (and of course my MY) and I can truly not understand how anyone can say the ride of the MY is better than the Q5. Either there was something wrong with the Q5 you drove or they have significantly improved the suspension of the MY since my was built (quite possible.)
I drove up to the cabin this weekend and the final road is paved but rough and the ride could only be described as punishing. Every imperfection in the road was transmitted perfectly - and that’s with 19” wheels. The other possibility is that there’s something with the suspension in my car so it’s worse than the typical MY suspension.
@sleepydoc I've seen a strong trend on these forums of people liking the ride of recent 2022 Model Y's more. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Tesla has actually improved the ride without advertising any change. They apparently did that with the Model 3, where 2021+ are almost universally reported to ride better than older ones (possibly at the cost of handling), but I don't think Tesla ever really advertised a change to the 3's suspension tuning.
The 2021-Q3 MYLR I tested road like s*** for a family car, in my opinion, but I am thinking about scheduling another test drive to reevaluate for 2022, and also to check out MCU3 firsthand. If you can make time for it go test drive a 2022 and report back what you think!
Definitely nothing wrong with my q5 suspension lol. What I’m saying is that my Q5 is definitely a stiffer ride with larger 21” rims and low profile tires compared to 18s - and feels quite similar to the MYP with 21 inch wheels that I test drove today. So it may be less of a suspension issue and more of a tire issue. But I’m just assuming based on my personal experience driving both cars.
However, the handling seems more planted in the MYP (probably because of the battery causing low center of gravity), and the body just felt more put-together going over large bumps or taking tight turns, which is why I preferred the overall driving experience with the MYP more.
Perhaps they did quietly improve the suspension or overall ride through production revisions to the car after initial launch?
As a precaution I try to avoid getting too excited and purchasing the first run of any new product - there may be production issues that get resolved in future revisions. I learned my lesson with Apple’s iPhone antenna-gate several years back lol.
One thing I did notice though was the MYP was a bit louder than the Q5 on the highway. Must be due to the panoramic glass roof on the MYP. But overall, really excited for the 2022 MYP - it’s more spacious in the front and back than the Q5, rides great (a lot better than we expected), doesn’t take premium gas, and feels like a true upgrade!
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45thParallel
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I am not sure the question does Tesla's Model Y suspension suck or not, will lead to an agreement. The past experience of everyone is different, as is the gender and age. To expect everyone to agree is akin to saying the best color is red. That said, my other vehicle is a 2020 Lexus 450 Rxh (hybrid). I find the Model Y suspension lacking. I am going to test drive a Model X and see if it is worth upgrading. I saw a video on YouTube by Ryan Shaw, who owns 5 Tesla's and has them on Turo. He likes the Model YLR the best. But he too finds the suspension stiff and lacking compared to other cars. Here is his video:
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