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Board members are appointed by shareholder votes. Your ownership determines your voting weight.You mean how he stacked the board with his lackeys and relatives? Okey dokey. It's not nearly as cut and dried as you make it out to be.
And Board members like Musk's close friends and his brother who probably are unduly influenced by him can be removed by shareholder votes. I'm not saying the principles of corporate governance aren't cut and dried. The personal relationships driving all this drama are not cut and dried, and the majority of the drama originates with Elon for the recently idiotic things he's said and done that have made people lose confidence in him. If enough confidence is lost, then the shareholders have every right to screw him on his package regardless of him meeting the benchmarks.Board members are appointed by shareholder votes. Your ownership determines your voting weight.
Thats how all corporations work.
If you own your company, you can appoint whomever you want to what position you want.
Do you have an issue with that cut and dried principle ?
Pay $20-30k more for the same level of service/quality plus have more parts to break down? This is why I am hesitant to upgrade to a S/X.Probably not. While we love ours and don't plan to get rid of it anytime soon. The next car will be an S and/or X.
Only if they could somehow do it via magic without adding more cost to the car.If there is a dramatic increase in range, indeed, that would drive sales, because it increase feasibility of ownership for those who have to visit commercial chargers.
And Board members like Musk's close friends and his brother who probably are unduly influenced by him can be removed by shareholder votes. I'm not saying the principles of corporate governance aren't cut and dried. The personal relationships driving all this drama are not cut and dried, and the majority of the drama originates with Elon for the recently idiotic things he's said and done that have made people lose confidence in him. If enough confidence is lost, then the shareholders have every right to screw him on his package regardless of him meeting the benchmarks.
Maybe? They felt a whole lot nicer, but better features available/ included.Pay $20-30k more for the same level of service/quality plus have more parts to break down? This is why I am hesitant to upgrade to a S/X.
Or maybe the S/X issues are exaggerated (shuddering, axle/camber, falcon door issues, etc.)?
This person has absolutely no clue what he’s talking about in the first paragraph total nonsense.I used to think this but he's made missteps that have made me lose most of my faith in him (firing ALL the supercharger team in a hissy and having to eat crow and hire many of them back, seeking $55 billion pay package when that money could have easily stopped the layoffs and then threatening to take his ball and go home if he doesn't get it, etc.). He thinks he's the second coming of Steve Jobs and he's just not.
As for the original question, I only got the MY when the prices dropped. So I actually paid about $2k less for it than I did my M3 in 2019. There's no way I would pay the normal markup going from a 3 to a Y. It's not that much better.
1. Great debate - and should be very helpful to any new potential car buyerRecently, a friend and I were talking about our 2020 Model Y’s. He asked if I would purchase again, if I had the choice. We spoke about what we liked and not. In the end, we both felt that the car was fun to drive, and could hold lots of gear. He has had more issues with his August, 2020 purchase than my September build 20. We both agreed that the suspension needed help and I have always thought that a heads-up display would be a benefit. Neither of us felt very good about the idea of providing Elon Musk with extra money, but that is a political question.
Beyond this, the biggest gripe is the lack of service centers in proximity to our western Ma location. The closest center is in Boston, some 1 1/2-2 hours away. The Boston centers are notoriously bad, so Rhode Island is often a better choice. Both of us felt that this issue was a huge consideration and possibly a deal breaker moving forward if more centers are not opened.
I’m curious to hear from others. Would you purchase again?
Oh, I forgot the extremely disappointing quality of seats. It feels like being trapped in a plastic bag. Belgium is not a desert country, but after an hour of driving, your behind and back is completely damp. They call it ‘vegan leather’. Just call it what it is : a plastic wrap.NO! NEVER AGAIN A TESLA.
I just don' understand why so many people are satisfied with their Tesla. I would understand if your previous vehicle was a soap box. But, I'm sorry, it is impossible to call Tesla a decent car. Just don't know where to start :
My experience. THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST CAR. Over-promise and under-deliver. And on top, just lie about the range. The ****ers will buy it and swallow the lies.
- Automatic windshield wipers are never accurate. The solution according to the latest update is to make it easier to MANUALLY adjust.
- Lane assist keeps on nagging, this is waaay tooo sensitive to be pleasant.
- The same with forward collision. No worries, just disable it. Well good luck. You have to disable it EVERY new ride.
- Phone key is an absolute nightmare. We have new phones and BT is of course always on. Nevertheless every now and then the car just refuses to unlock.
- Autopilot keep on nagging, so it's better to not use it. Is just makes me crazy. And in between 2 naggings, it's constantly making micro adjustments (Left - Right). Feels like being on a boat.
- The car keeps updating... Just great, mainly extra fart sounds and games. I'm an adult, do not need that.
- Hat shelf. What is this. They invented the "foldable hat shelf. Just try to get it out (and then, where to put it).
- Range. Where to start. IMO this is just criminal behaviour. If I'm lucky, I can drive 300km (charge 80% LR) instead of the advertised 418%.
- Cruise control and phantom breaking. I guess everyone has experienced their Tesla breaking for no obvious reason, resulting in at least unpleasant driving or worse, dangerous situations.
- The lack of decent parking sensors result in some kind of "suggestion" how close your are to obstacles. Just take a look at how many Tesla cars are scratched in the front. God damn, I miss the trustful acoustic sensors of my previous car.
- Moreover, the cameras give very often the warning they are inaccurate due to ... whatever. Might be mud or sun. Doesn't matter. A little bit of sun and you are parking like with a car of 20 years old.
- Not my personal experience, but my brothers : about 5 times not disconnecting from the power cable. TBH, this hasn't happened since more than a year.
- A few months ago, a SC in Belgium : a person from Luxembourg could not charge. We could charge without a problem, his car just refused. Very convenient at 10PM with a small kid in the back.
- A Tesla is like a German car, it keeps it value. Yeah, right. Certainly when Tesla is lowering it's prices by the thousands at a time.
It is for a reason why the Tesla stock is going down and why Tesla cannot sell their toy-cars any more? I feel like Jack *sugar* having bought this piece of garbage.
My suggestion to potential new Tesla buyers : DON'T (now I sound like Biden, I guess). Read the negative reviews. Most of them are true. I was hoping that my car "would be different", or that when so many people buy this car, these people complaining are the "unfortunate few".
Looking forward to replies to my rant ;-)
I have to say that either I have a magic Tesla Model Y or none of those things are an issue in my car, maybe bothNO! NEVER AGAIN A TESLA...
Looking forward to replies to my rant ;-)...
I guess the "hat shelf" refers to the Parcel Shelf, which Tesla devotes and entire page to for "concealing cargo", but I don't think that will assuage him.I have the parking sensors, but prefer the Tesla Vision parking assist, my wipers are fine, lane assist is great, I love the seats, and I don't know what a hat shelf is, so I can't comment.
I highly suggest you sell your Tesla and buy nice Peugeot and a cup of decaffeinated expresso![]()
Try to sell the car without accepting a few thousands loss. The price plummeted just after we bought it with more than 6K.I have to say that either I have a magic Tesla Model Y or none of those things are an issue in my car, maybe both![]()
I have the parking sensors, but prefer the Tesla Vision parking assist, my wipers are fine, lane assist is great, I love the seats, and I don't know what a hat shelf is, so I can't comment.
I highly suggest you sell your Tesla and buy nice Peugeot and a cup of decaffeinated expresso![]()