2021 Shipping Movements

[Mr Miserable]

hmm which one left Shanghai around the 20th October

VIKING OCEAN departed on 20 Oct as did HOEGH KOBE
HELIOS RAY departed on 21 Oct

 

[LoneWolf]

Tesla told me that our Model Y to be delivered in Geneva November 17 is on Lake Geneva, nice coincidence

Just found out that mine is on Lake Geneva as well

 

[_SunShine]

GLOVIS CHALLENGE will be the next one for Koper

 

[Har31]

just got information from Tesla that none model Y´s gonna be delivered in Norway in november. They gonna start in the early desember.

 

[taham]

just got information from Tesla that none model Y´s gonna be delivered in Norway in november. They gonna start in the early desember.

Talked with SA in Aalesund today. He told me that with a bit of luck I can pick mine up 25-26 november. Without luck the week after, so early december.

 

[Kevct]

Talked with SA in Aalesund today. He told me that with a bit of luck I can pick mine up 25-26 november. Without luck the week after, so early december.

So that’s including shipping/transport time to Ålesund? And what are the factors that come into play? Do you know what vessel it is on?

 

[Mr Miserable]

GLOVIS CHALLENGE will arrive in Koper 14 Nov

 

[taham]

Yup, pickup in Ålesund. Only factor he mentioned was down to the vessel staying on route. He didn't tell me which vessel it was on. But Mr. M mentioned Prometheus Leader would arrive in Norway 11. nov if I remember correctly.

 

[jbcarioca]

this is going to be the biggest Made in China purchase I ever done, delivery date 17 Nov, probably my model y is on Lake Fuxian vesel (named after Chinese lake?)



I told my wife about this forum - I know you do not care a thing but she thinks you’re all a bunch of kids like buying toys.) hey kids, where do you get the money from for your teslas?! )

Is it not 'we'? As a longtime owner and shareholder I am most definitely a gleeful child, not by chronology.
This thread is invaluable to those of us who are attempting to judge actual Shanghai production now, as it has been for Fremont production and shipping for several years. We all owe @Mr Miserable a large debt of gratitude.

 

[jbcarioca]

GLOVIS CHALLENGE will arrive in Koper 14 Nov

Is there any iSight about potential backlogs in Koper? I speculate not since it seems that Mercedes Benz import volumes may have been dropping due to Germany sales declines, among others. Unfortunately my Slovenian and Trieste contacts are not available just now.

 

[Kevct]

Yup, pickup in Ålesund. Only factor he mentioned was down to the vessel staying on route. He didn't tell me which vessel it was on. But Mr. M mentioned Prometheus Leader would arrive in Norway 11. nov if I remember correctly.

Yes, it should be in Drammen on the 11th. So delivery on the west coast could be expected before December? All going well.

There was also a mention that there is a slight chance of there being TMYs on SPICA LEADER which docks in Drammen on the 6th. If this is likely at all?

 

[hamkeng]

My first post:

Ordered my Model 3 LR Nov.21 in Bergen. Found my VIN in sourcecode today.
My Tesla is onboard Hoeg Tracker. Lefr Changhai oct. 31, and will arrive in Zeebrugge Des. 01 according to plan.
How many days does it take normally from Zeebrugge to Bergen? I guess the ship is going to Drammen first, and then along the coast.

Thanks to Mr. Miserable for this excelent thread.

 

[hamkeng]

My first post:

Ordered my Model 3 LR Nov.21 in Bergen. Found my VIN in sourcecode today.
My Tesla is onboard Hoeg Tracker. Lefr Changhai oct. 31, and will arrive in Zeebrugge Des. 01 according to plan.
How many days does it take normally from Zeebrugge to Bergen? I guess the ship is going to Drammen first, and then along the coast.

Thanks to Mr. Miserable for this excelent thread.

Correct arrival date in Zeebrugge is Des. 04

 

[R5 Red Five]

If Vin in source code appeared 31st/Oct (or 1st Nov) - not sure which day which ship(s) left 29th / 30th October please?

 

[S.Lav]

Another confirmation that ALTAIR LEADER is carrying alt least one MY for Denmark - was specifically told that she was close to the Suez Chanel right now...

 

[Mr Miserable]

Is there any iSight about potential backlogs in Koper? I speculate not since it seems that Mercedes Benz import volumes may have been dropping due to Germany sales declines, among others. Unfortunately my Slovenian and Trieste contacts are not available just now.

Hi JB.
I have no knowlege of Koper operations however what I will say is that in September I was in northern France and saw a Lithuanian registered car transporter moving Teslas heading north towards Belgium/Luxembourg. It must have come from TRITON ACE in Koper. So we can say that cars arriving in Koper are not being distributed solely to southern Europe.
The sales decline in traditional car manufacturers is not due to a drop in demand but rather a drop in supply. The chip shortage is being blamed for production lines grinding to a halt. With reduced production I would imagine there are plenty of road car transporters available. Certainly there is plenty of space on ships at the moment although the Koreans still seem to be able to fill their share. Ships are not 'waiting for orders' in Europe for any uptick in business but are returning direct to the Far East so any recovery to business as usual will probably be seen in the Far East first.

As far as Tesla Q4 is concerned I'm expecting to see an increase in deliveries to Netherlands because of a reduced tax allowance from January onwards.
We have also seen Q3 produced cars arriving in Q4, and so smoothing out and extending the delivery wave.
The demand for MY is unabated and with Berlin unlikely to contribute anything to Q4 I'm sure Shanghai will have been directed to increase their export numbers from the Q3 level.
The UK continues to sell every Model 3 that is shipped and I'm sure will achieve a new q'ly sales record.
March 22 should be a bumper month for Tesla in the UK if RHD MY production in Shanghai is not delayed because of Berlin not producing.

 

[Mr Miserable]

Another confirmation that ALTAIR LEADER is carrying alt least one MY for Denmark - was specifically told that she was close to the Suez Chanel right now...

Thanks for that. ALTAIR LEADER is just arriving at Suez and I would expect her to transit the canal tomorrow morning.
We will then find out where she is headed.
She is not a Tesla charter but it appears that Tesla are using her to transport some MY to EU.

 

[Sarrieslad]

Hi all, I ordered my M3 SR+ back on the 22nd of August and have been told a couple of times to expect delivery in the UK in late November. Does anyone know when the next shipment of M3's is expected or even when I might be able to expect a VIN to be allocated?

 

[MrEdd]

Continuing the depressing subject of RoRo safety by this time looking at the second biggest safety issue in my book - stability or rather how easy it is for these ships to become unstable.

Ship designers like watertight compartments and plenty of bulkheads. They have learnt over the years that these features add to a ships seaworthiness and should disaster strike, the ship is more likely to survive.
These features are necessarily absent in a RoRo which require large obstruction-free decks. RoRo's operate in some of the busiest shipping areas and so the risk of a collision is high. As long as the hull is not compromised and the ship remains watertight there should not be a problem however as soon as water ingresses the liklihood of the ship capsizing becomes increasingly likely and is generally inevitable.
There is also another reason why these ships are prone to capsize and that is through inadequate ballasting. The ships have a number of ballast tanks that use water to keep the vessel in trim. The ballast system can be quite complex to operate and it's the responsibility of the Chief Officer (First Mate) to ensure the ship is properly ballasted at all times. Nowadays on modern RoRo's the ballasting is largely computer controlled. During loading if the ship starts to list more than a degree or so, ballast pumps kick into life automatically to bring the ship upright again. Once loading is complete the ballast computer will tell the bridge whether the ship is trimmed to within limits or not. Stability is a very complex subject that has been made a lot easier with the introduction of computers but one wonders whether this dependency on computers has led to a lack of education on this difficult subject. In any marine academy I think the stability lessons are the hardest to get your head round with never-ending formulae, graphs and abbreviations. Just when you think you've mastered it, they introduce damage, icing, water density and anything else to make your brain hurt. I thought the plimsoll line alone would do the trick but alas I was sadly mistaken. Suffice to say, stability is very easy to get wrong and it can have catastrophic consequences.
The most modern RoRo's have sensors which send data via satellite link to specialist maritime engineering companies who can supply the bridge with a solution to be entered into the ballast computer prior to departure.

The following is my list is of car carriers that have either capsized or developed a dangerous list:

Dec 02 TRICOLOR

Jul 06 COUGAR ACE

Dec 12 BALTIC ACE

Jan 15 HOEGH OSAKA

Jan 16 MODERN EXPRESS

Sep 19 GOLDEN RAY

May 21 BYAKKO

Sep 21 IVAN

The UK Maritime Accident Investigation Branch report into the HOEGH OSAKA incident in the Solent in Jan 15 is probably the most comprehensive and interesting read.

The American NTSB report on the GOLDEN RAY has now been published.
I have to say I personally found this report quite a disappointing read as I think it left many important questions unanswered. It appears that I was not alone and if you are at all interested I recommend watching this YouTube video by Salvatore R. Mercogliano. The author goes on a bit but by the end he has hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned and explains the real reason why the ship capsized.

Not forgetting free surface effect giving a virtual rise of the C of G if water gets onto the car decks. You cant can't beat a good GM and righting moment!

 

[LoneWolf]

Hi, just want to thank @Mr Miserable once more for his work, now all I need is to keep watching his daily updates until LAKE GENEVA arrives and unloads my MY. now if there was a way to follow the truck movements.