$35,000 Model 3 SR is back! *

[willow_hiller]

Would be interesting to see the actual Canadian base Model3 )

It's odd. Definitely at least one confirmed order by @abbott , but it seems like their last post was toward the end of June. Maybe Tesla actually gave them an SR+ under the condition they don't tell anyone about it.

 

[Kappelan]

Specially during Canadian winter :-(

Yep )

...On the other hand, I see people driving old Leafs or BMWi3 in Toronto during winter and they are with a similar range I guess.

 

[Kappelan]

It's odd. Definitely at least one confirmed order by @abbott , but it seems like their last post was toward the end of June. Maybe Tesla actually gave them an SR+ under the condition they don't tell anyone about it.

For $45,000 CAD plus $5,000 rebate as a discount would be a great deal

 

[duanra]

For $45,000 CAD plus $5,000 rebate as a discount would be a great deal

It could even be a 13000 dollars rebate if you live in Quebec. I believe there are rebates in BC as well.

 

[Kappelan]

It could even be a 13000 dollars rebate if you live in Quebec. I believe there are rebates in BC as well.

True

Not long ago we here in Ontario also were spoiled by those rebates...

 

[vickh]

The SR, is currently $35K, the SR+ $38,990, a difference of $3,990. Upgrade from SR to SR+ is $4500. AP is $3K to add whether before or after purchase.

so a ~$500 penalty

unless you go a la carte. AP doesn't seem worth it alone since for +$1500 you get streaming etc.

 

[vickh]

Or said another way, it’s $1,500 to upgrade SR to SR+ features, excluding the mandatory $3,000 AP feature-add. Essentially, you’re paying $1,500 for the non-AP features that come standard on SR+ (fog lights, range/acceleration/top speed, and I know I’m missing something else).

+streaming/browsing

 

[SMAlset]

Huge. How often does Apple change prices on its own devices from its own web site? Not often. But Amazon/B&H, Best Buy etc? They have sales on Apple products all the time.

And that's Apple's pricing model which had come under attack by the pc/android users out there, being so expensive yada yada (yet none of them are making a profit on their phones unless maybe Samsung who jumped in and is now offer phones at the pricing level that Apple does). And those are 3rd parties involved in those sales you mentioned. Apple's kind of like the traditional car manufacturer/dealership model if you think about it. It makes its set profit from the other stores carrying its products and let's them set pricing, and their margins, within a range I suspect.

As we know, Tesla doesn't have dealerships to run the "sales" like traditional car dealerships, nor does it do advertising like they do, so this is their way of setting margin goals related to production and offering "sale" pricing when it can to spur interest. No one likes stagnant products. Besides it's not Tesla's pricing model. Different product, different margins, different company. I find it fascinating that people seemingly want to control how Tesla does business including how it sets pricing.

 

[Plug-n-Play]

Go figure! Took delivery of SR on August 12, then price drops on August 13...

Contact your delivery specialist. If you are within the return window and a price drop occurred, Tesla will offer you a refund check in the mail.

 

[acarney]

+streaming/browsing

Streaming?

 

[duanra]

Streaming?

Radio.

 

[acarney]

Radio.

Do you mean the SR doesn't include FM?

Because the SR+ doesn't include internet streaming radio or music, you have to step up to the AWD model for that... so ~$9k more.

 

[willow_hiller]

Do you mean the SR doesn't include FM?

Because the SR+ doesn't include internet streaming radio or music, you have to step up to the AWD model for that... so ~$9k more.

Both SR and SR+ have HD FM radio. I think @antoinearnau meant no streaming internet radio.

 

[davewill]

Both SR and SR+ have HD FM radio. I think @antoinearnau meant no streaming internet radio.

But SR+ doesn't have streaming internet radio or internet browsing, either.

 

[willow_hiller]

But SR+ doesn't have streaming internet radio or internet browsing. either.

Just had to scroll back in this thread to figure this out!

@vickh was mistaken in saying the SR+ had streaming. I think the rest of us were trying to be helpful but just ended up confusing each other

 

[duanra]

Just had to scroll back in this thread to figure this out!

@vickh was mistaken in saying the SR+ had streaming. I think the rest of us were trying to be helpful but just ended up confusing each other

Indeed, but apparently only cars with premium interior would have streaming.
Mid Range, LR RWD, LR AWD and Performance.

My bad for the confusion...

 

[vickh]

Just had to scroll back in this thread to figure this out!

@vickh was mistaken in saying the SR+ had streaming. I think the rest of us were trying to be helpful but just ended up confusing each other

I'm sorry b/c i thought the SR+ did have it. I think I'll have to install my alexa input or echo after all ( i thought upgrading would take care of streaming)

 

[pdk42]

All the financial analysts/doomsters are pointing out that despite Tesla's production challenges, their long term problem (to becoming a profitable car manufacturer) is actually lack of demand. The S and X are old designs and US orders of the 3 are declining. The problem is that Teslas, even the 3, are still seen as luxury cars rather than mass market cars. Until that changes, so say the analysts, Tesla will never make money. I think this is a reasonable view and is almost certainly why they are so desperate to make good on the $35k model.

 

[acarney]

All the financial analysts/doomsters are pointing out that despite Tesla's production challenges, their long term problem (to becoming a profitable car manufacturer) is actually lack of demand. The S and X are old designs and US orders of the 3 are declining. The problem is that Teslas, even the 3, are still seen as luxury cars rather than mass market cars. Until that changes, so say the analysts, Tesla will never make money. I think this is a reasonable view and is almost certainly why they are so desperate to make good on the $35k model.

I totally agree on the price. $39k for a SR+ isn't really in the same range as a Accord or Camry. If they want to move millions they really need to get that SR down to like $30k (probably with a cloth interior) and the SR+ pushed down to like $34-$36k. They're still very much Merc, BMW, Lexus range and are out selling those cars, so they're nailing that target, but down market is really the mass sales numbers...

(And you can talk all you want about cost savings without gas and such but people may not want to take a $40k loan out when they could take a $28k loan or something for the Accord)

 

[Krazaak]

You're still buying from a dealer.

I don't really understand the defenders of the constant price shifting. So often we talk about how Tesla does things so differently, and Tesla 4 LYFE because "other companies don't get it." But when their pricing is all over the map, we just say - oh, well, other car companies do the same.

I don't have a problem with price shifting and adjustments, but with Tesla it feels like too much, too quickly. But if they need to do it to survive or please the shareholders, so be it.

Most incentives available at the dealership are coming from the manufacturers in the form of rebates. So, both the manufacturer and dealer are regularly changing prices to move cars.