A Better Routeplanner - for Model X Too

[blincoln]

Thanks for the tip on this webpage. Awesome planner. I like the various options that are there already, but of course, one can always ask for improvements. I like that it has the "long stop" option, but its long stop seems to want to charge to 100%. Perhaps have an option to put in the time you want to stop or maybe set the goal percent for that stop rather than 100%? I can see wanting to stop for lunch for 45 minutes, but not the "1:07" to get a full charge. I would probably never stop for 5 or 10 minutes either -- probably a minimum of 15. Perhaps have a minimum stop time -- let it charge up while stopped. One thing that seems to be in error about all these routers is they are always about the car -- getting to some next charger or destination with some goal level -- which has its advantages for some road warriors. I want a router that's more about the way I drive and need bio breaks. I'll drive a couple hours, take 15-20 minute break, drive another couple hours, take a lunch break for 45 minutes or so, then another 2 hours, a 15 minute break, 2 hours, dinner break, and then a couple more hours to my daily destination. Now I realize superchargers aren't ubiquitous, so stops are fairly defined -- I'd just like the ability to adjust the stop time and let the charge adjust to my desired stop time.

Right, speaking as a user of ABRP I agree. Long breaks should be more configurable and it should be possible to set a minimum time to stop.

As a developer of ABRP, I am trying to minimize the number of settings and features to make it as understandable as possible Let me see what I can do!

 

[Big Earl]

I'll second (now third?) the suggestion of specifying the amount of time for a long break. Minimum stop time is less important to me, but it would help dial in a longer trip.

Some reasonable defaults (1 hour for a long break and 15 minutes minimum stop time) would help keep things understandable.

 

[hgpayne]

I'll second (now third?) the suggestion of specifying the amount of time for a long break. Minimum stop time is less important to me, but it would help dial in a longer trip.

Some reasonable defaults (1 hour for a long break and 15 minutes minimum stop time) would help keep things understandable.

Agreed -- just having a maximum / minimum stop would help. I'm not going to stop for 7 minutes -- I'll power on to the next stop at < than my goal % or stop here for my minimum stop time of 15 minutes

 

[hgpayne]

A max stop means "this is where I want to have lunch/dinner." I love how it handles overnight stays as it is. Well done.

 

[Big Earl]

A max stop means "this is where I want to have lunch/dinner." I love how it handles overnight stays as it is. Well done.

Overnight stays are handled beautifully. The max stop currently assumes charging to 100%.

I just plugged in a couple of routes and played around with the long break function. On my previous trip, it was estimating each long break stop to be 1 hour and 9 minutes to go from 15% to 100%. Today it showed 59 minutes for a 100D and 58 minutes for a 75D. This amount of time is a bit closer to my one hour limit for a long break, although 45 minutes is generally preferred while on a road trip. If accurate, I could live with it the way it is with no changes.

 

[blincoln]

Overnight stays are handled beautifully. The max stop currently assumes charging to 100%.

I just plugged in a couple of routes and played around with the long break function. On my previous trip, it was estimating each long break stop to be 1 hour and 9 minutes to go from 15% to 100%. Today it showed 59 minutes for a 100D and 58 minutes for a 75D. This amount of time is a bit closer to my one hour limit for a long break, although 45 minutes is generally preferred while on a road trip. If accurate, I could live with it the way it is with no changes.

Yeah, I just did some battery charging curve updates for newer battery packs the other day (based on measurements from Tesla-Björn and my own 90). However, I do not really have proper charge curves for the 75 so if anyone wants to time their charging in 5% increments, I'd be happy to get some more data. (Yes, ABRP could gather that data automatically, but I am not logging any MyTesla activity at all now for privacy reasons and I have not asked users for permission to do so, so I will not.)

 

[dwploc]

@blincoln I bet there are "some" owners that would be willing to let you automatically collect charging data for some period of time in order to get better data points. You might ask for volunteers and then limit the data collection to some period of time, a week, month or something reasonable. How difficult might it be to set up to just query certain cars?

 

[blincoln]

@blincoln I bet there are "some" owners that would be willing to let you automatically collect charging data for some period of time in order to get better data points. You might ask for volunteers and then limit the data collection to some period of time, a week, month or something reasonable. How difficult might it be to set up to just query certain cars?

Right, it is not a technical problem but more of a time issue from my side. Some day I will do it.

 

[hgpayne]

@blincoln one more little request? As I said, I like the overnight feature, but perhaps add the option for destination charging? Right now it assumes I start the next day with the same charge I arrived with. I will probably charge overnight. The wrinkle I can see is you'd have to add in the charge rate. I may be plugging into an outside 110V plug -- adding like 2 miles/hour of range, or maybe a campground where I can plug into a 50 amp, 240V circuit. My "overnight" may be two or three days too. More wrinkles -- I know.

Of course I can circumvent this whole issue by just having two different plans with two different starting charge rates -- much less work for you

Again -- thanks so much for what you've built so far. This is awesome! (I apologize for the server side processing I'm causing by building various potential vacation routes).

 

[blincoln]

@blincoln one more little request? As I said, I like the overnight feature, but perhaps add the option for destination charging? Right now it assumes I start the next day with the same charge I arrived with. I will probably charge overnight. The wrinkle I can see is you'd have to add in the charge rate. I may be plugging into an outside 110V plug -- adding like 2 miles/hour of range, or maybe a campground where I can plug into a 50 amp, 240V circuit. My "overnight" may be two or three days too. More wrinkles -- I know.

Of course I can circumvent this whole issue by just having two different plans with two different starting charge rates -- much less work for you

Again -- thanks so much for what you've built so far. This is awesome! (I apologize for the server side processing I'm causing by building various potential vacation routes).

Plan on, the server can (most often) take it

Anyhow, for destination (overnight) charging, have you found the small "plug" icon next to the waypoint? It allows you to enter a power and time for destination charging. Or did you mean that this is not what you need?

 

[blincoln]

Right, it is not a technical problem but more of a time issue from my side. Some day I will do it.

As usual, I got curious and added the feature instead of going to bed. So, if you log out and then in again in ABRP MyTesla then you can leave the "Share Data" checkbox checked and ABRP will collect charging statistics. By doing so you are contributing to better charging models!

 

[dwploc]

As usual, I got curious and added the feature instead of going to bed. So, if you log out and then in again in ABRP MyTesla then you can leave the "Share Data" checkbox checked and ABRP will collect charging statistics. By doing so you are contributing to better charging models!

Ah, a typical developer/enthusiast. Been there, done that

Just to let you know, this is APPRECIATED by all of us. Hope you're having fun AND making at least beer money.

 

[hgpayne]

Plan on, the server can (most often) take it

Anyhow, for destination (overnight) charging, have you found the small "plug" icon next to the waypoint? It allows you to enter a power and time for destination charging. Or did you mean that this is not what you need?

Um.... no, I hadn't. (facepalm)
In the immortal words of Emily Litella, "Never Mind."
This is EXACTLY what I was asking for -- it was just already there.
I'd say, "Great minds think alike" except I've just proven mine isn't very great.

 

[Big Earl]

@blincoln

I noticed you added some features to ABRP including destination charging to a certain percentage. I'd like to report a bug when using that feature. All charging stops prior to that destination charge will show charge times in the hours as opposed to in the minutes. This inaccurate estimate of charge times has the planner estimating 197 hours and 51 minutes worth of charging on a 3,300 mile trip.

Additional info: Model X 75D, destination charge to 100% at 1.4 kW.

Thanks for looking into this. Here is a paste of my plan times with areas of concern in bold:

Tesla 100% 01:48 111 miles

Chattanooga 35% 72% 17:55 01:46 100 miles

Cookeville 15% 80% 31:10 01:59 116 miles

Bowling Green 16% 84% 32:43 01:45 113 miles

Louisville 15% 82% 32:21 01:53 116 miles

Indianapolis 15% 92% 37:11 02:58 155 miles

Mishawaka 15% 84% 33:21 02:04 122 miles
Grand Rapids, MI 15% 100% (40:56) 198:59
01:31 92 miles

St. Joseph 47% 67% 00:10 01:22 86 miles

Country Club Hills 15% 66% 00:24 01:21 81 miles

Peru 20% 63% 00:19 01:24 84 miles

Davenport 15% 51% 00:16 00:59 61 miles

Coralville 15% 89% 00:41 01:51 119 miles

West Des Moines 15% 90% 00:42 01:48 119 miles

Council Bluffs 15% 51% 00:16 00:58 58 miles

Lincoln 15% 77% 00:31 01:21 92 miles

Grand Island 15% 84% 00:37 01:26 101 miles

Gothenburg 15% 74% 00:29 01:13 85 miles

Ogallala 15% 63% 00:22 00:58 67 miles

Sidney 15% 86% 00:39 01:30 100 miles

Cheyenne 15% 55% 00:18 00:52 55 miles

Laramie 15% 78% 00:32 01:21 96 miles

Rawlins 15% 92% 00:45 01:34 114 miles

Rock Springs 15% 84% 00:36 01:24 99 miles

Evanston 15% 82% 00:35 01:34 112 miles

Tremonton 15% 75% 00:30 01:27 94 miles

Pocatello 15% 77% 00:31 01:54 116 miles

Twin Falls 15% 86% 00:39 02:01 127 miles

Boise 15% 92% 00:45 02:02 127 miles

Baker City 15% 60% 00:21 01:25 88 miles

Pendleton 15% 54% 00:17 01:08 70 miles

Kennewick 15% 88% 00:40 01:50 117 miles

Ellensburg 15% 74% 00:29 01:59 112 miles

Monroe 15% 50% 00:15 00:56 53 miles

Burlington 20% 57% 00:17 00:23 16 miles
Bellingham, WA 50% 52:55 197:51 54:03 3386 miles 251:54

 

[thegruf]

just took a look at this.
Definitely interesting and thanks to the devs for their work

However first route I chose routed me directly through 2 sections of roads closed for roadworks.
Good that it shows roadworks, but better to recognize closed sections and route around.

Will keep playing though

 

[blincoln]

@blincoln

I noticed you added some features to ABRP including destination charging to a certain percentage. I'd like to report a bug when using that feature. All charging stops prior to that destination charge will show charge times in the hours as opposed to in the minutes. This inaccurate estimate of charge times has the planner estimating 197 hours and 51 minutes worth of charging on a 3,300 mile trip.

Additional info: Model X 75D, destination charge to 100% at 1.4 kW.

Thanks for looking into this. Here is a paste of my plan times with areas of concern in bold:

Tesla 100% 01:48 111 miles

Chattanooga 35% 72% 17:55 01:46 100 miles

Cookeville 15% 80% 31:10 01:59 116 miles

Bowling Green 16% 84% 32:43 01:45 113 miles

Louisville 15% 82% 32:21 01:53 116 miles

Indianapolis 15% 92% 37:11 02:58 155 miles

Mishawaka 15% 84% 33:21 02:04 122 miles
Grand Rapids, MI 15% 100% (40:56) 198:59
01:31 92 miles

St. Joseph 47% 67% 00:10 01:22 86 miles

Country Club Hills 15% 66% 00:24 01:21 81 miles

Peru 20% 63% 00:19 01:24 84 miles

Davenport 15% 51% 00:16 00:59 61 miles

Coralville 15% 89% 00:41 01:51 119 miles

West Des Moines 15% 90% 00:42 01:48 119 miles

Council Bluffs 15% 51% 00:16 00:58 58 miles

Lincoln 15% 77% 00:31 01:21 92 miles

Grand Island 15% 84% 00:37 01:26 101 miles

Gothenburg 15% 74% 00:29 01:13 85 miles

Ogallala 15% 63% 00:22 00:58 67 miles

Sidney 15% 86% 00:39 01:30 100 miles

Cheyenne 15% 55% 00:18 00:52 55 miles

Laramie 15% 78% 00:32 01:21 96 miles

Rawlins 15% 92% 00:45 01:34 114 miles

Rock Springs 15% 84% 00:36 01:24 99 miles

Evanston 15% 82% 00:35 01:34 112 miles

Tremonton 15% 75% 00:30 01:27 94 miles

Pocatello 15% 77% 00:31 01:54 116 miles

Twin Falls 15% 86% 00:39 02:01 127 miles

Boise 15% 92% 00:45 02:02 127 miles

Baker City 15% 60% 00:21 01:25 88 miles

Pendleton 15% 54% 00:17 01:08 70 miles

Kennewick 15% 88% 00:40 01:50 117 miles

Ellensburg 15% 74% 00:29 01:59 112 miles

Monroe 15% 50% 00:15 00:56 53 miles

Burlington 20% 57% 00:17 00:23 16 miles
Bellingham, WA 50% 52:55 197:51 54:03 3386 miles 251:54

I cannot recreate this issue - do you think you could trigger it in a slightly shorter route?
Tip: Click "Get Link" and post the URL here.

 

[Solarman004]

We planned our trip on the Mac and then were able to access the entire plan via the car MCU and via our phones. What’s not to .

@HookBill , When using ABRP in the car, did you grant access to your MyTesla account for real tome energy consumption data?
I understand all of the security precautions built into the program to protect login credentials, yet I am extremely cautious about protecting my MyTesla password, and not sure I am comfortable with granting access to ABRP.
I'm looking forward to trying out this planner on a long trip next month.

 

[NHK X]

Works great, love the ability to tailor the settings. Might just be my connection but noticed a fair amount of lag when pinch zooming and manipulating the map. Overall great work, I would pay for an actual app version of this!

 

[blincoln]

I cannot recreate this issue - do you think you could trigger it in a slightly shorter route?
Tip: Click "Get Link" and post the URL here.

Got the same bug reported today again, and finally managed to recreate it - and fix it.

 

[dwploc]

Doing some planning today and found a very strange routing. Check out A Better Routeplanner Going from Litter Rock supercharger to Eureka, Mo via Springfield, Mo

Trying a new route instead of LR to Memphis the 55 north but it REALLY likes 55 northbound ;-o