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Note that this is the TesLoop vehicle. So the "$60,000" in fuel savings occurs because TesLoop doesn't pay for gas or for charging. Instead it shifts its electricity and charging costs onto Tesla by using the SuperCharger network.
[not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that; but a normal user (who charges at home) wouldn't experience these same "savings." TesLoop is a very special use case, and one that I suspect Tesla would prefer to discourage.]
While it would cut into the bottom line if every owner did this, I bet Tesla is quite happy to shift its costs of extended-use durability testing onto Tesloop instead of having to pay for drivers, insurance, etc. OTA communication allows Tesla to monitor Tesloop's durability testing closely. I'd be very surprised if Tesla hasn't flagged Tesloop's VINs and doesn't download their data into a special queue for engineering review.
Here in Arizona we often see singletons or platoons of cars from virtually every manufacturer undergoing durability testing - and those are expensive programs to run. FoMoCo even used to donate cars to the Arizona Highway Patrol so they'd only have to pay for weekly or monthly engineering checks and not the drivers, insurance or fuel. The luxury models had signs on them to deflect complaints that tax dollars shouldn't be spent on such cars for police use.
Note that this is the TesLoop vehicle. So the "$60,000" in fuel savings occurs because TesLoop doesn't pay for gas or for charging. Instead it shifts its electricity and charging costs onto Tesla by using the SuperCharger network.
[not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that; but a normal user (who charges at home) wouldn't experience these same "savings." TesLoop is a very special use case, and one that I suspect Tesla would prefer to discourage.]
Also, normal users would probably have higher maintence costs over 300,000 miles of use, many of which would usually occur after the warranty has expried. TesLoop, with an extremely high number of miles per year, gets a lot of benefit from the "infinite" milage (but finite duration) warranty.
This car they have named eHawk, had the following parts replaced which the Electrek article conveniently leaves out:
35,000 miles: Front motor was replaced. Source
200,000 miles: Main battery pack was replaced. Source
The article is not @FredLambert's best work because of the following reasons:
- The article implies the Model S drove 300,000 miles without major issues by omitting critical pieces of information about replaced major parts like the motor and the battery.
- The article is misleading because it suggests drivers could save $20,000 per 100,000 miles by driving a Tesla which is not true because most people rarely use superchargers.
- Bragging about fictional achievements is unnecessary. This is similar to Tesla advertising 691 HP for the P85D when the actual number was lower. Why taint actual achievements with fictitious ones? Tesla doesn't need this. They have many great achievements.
- When you want to create a lasting impression, it is a good idea to hide something and let people discover it later. For example, when Tesla announced Autopilot they said all cars made in the last two weeks had Autopilot hardware. That was impressive. However, if not careful, one can create a lasting negative impression by hiding something and letting people discover it later. For example, Tesla advertises infinite mileage battery warranty which creates a good impression but then people discover that the warranty document specifically excludes degradation. This is not a good thing and it is the kind of thing people don't forget easily. Similarly, this article skips the battery and motor replacements but when people find out, it creates a lasting bad taste. It undermines trust and you can't help but think about the credibility of all the other articles.
300000 miles multiplied by 38 kWh per 100 miles (EPA rating for RWD S) is 114,000 kWh. Tesla charges $.20 per kWh in California for folks that aren't grandfathered in, and has a generic FAQ answer that they charge less than it costs them for Supercharging.
Taken at face value, that appears to mean ~$23k in Tesla costs for electricity that is in Tesloop's "savings."
That would be when taken at totally wrong face value. Tesla will pay commercial rates with demand charges.
Unless the taxis are the source of peak demand, then for SCE the cost impact is energy-related and will cost Tesla $0.06/kWh to $0.10/kWh depending on time of day and season.
Corollary: busy chargers lower cost per mile.
...eight years or 100,000 miles. This protects you against capacity loss of more than 25% – 9 out of the 12 bars displayed on your dashboard.
A Tesla with 15% range loss in "a short time"? That must be extremely rare. Please provide a source to support your assertion beyond "I have seen".Tesla's warranty not only does not cover battery degradation, the warranty document specifically says that it is not covered. 99% of the time this is not a problem but I have seen people who had 85% range left in a short time
A Tesla with 15% range loss in "a short time"? That must be extremely rare. Please provide a source to support your assertion beyond "I have seen".
The Plug In America survey data shows a few percent loss in the first 100K miles.
A Tesla with 15% range loss in "a short time"? That must be extremely rare.
It is rare which is why it would make sense to cover those under the warranty. Based on my calculation, this problem affected only 3 people out of 344 in a battery survey. That's 0.9%. The examples are from the MaxRange battery survey. To see these, open this page, then on the second chart click on the blue dots near the 85% line. To switch mileage from km to miles, you can select a random username from the USA tab.
Example 1:
These two were submitted by the same person:
16,217 mi 84.7%, Model S 60 (Entry ID #51 on the USA tab)
17,697 mi 86.7%, Model S 60 (Entry ID #60 on the USA tab)
Example 2:
17,560 mi 88.7%, Model S 90D (Entry ID #103 on the USA tab)
Example 3:
29,814 mi 85.6%, Model S 60 (Entry ID #144 on the USA tab)
This person has also posted the details here in the forum.
I'm not convinced of that. Tesloop provides a good deal of free publicity and advertising for Tesla;most marketing people would consider that $23k in electricity costs would be less than they would pay for a comparable amount of conventional advertising (which Tesla doesn't do).Note that this is the TesLoop vehicle. So the "$60,000" in fuel savings occurs because TesLoop doesn't pay for gas or for charging. Instead it shifts its electricity and charging costs onto Tesla by using the SuperCharger network.
[not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that; but a normal user (who charges at home) wouldn't experience these same "savings." TesLoop is a very special use case, and one that I suspect Tesla would prefer to discourage.]