Moderators comment (left out by accident):
And this is Texas! Asking people here to stop eating brisket would be on par with getting a EV tax credit passed. Not going to happen.
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Yes, as long as you're a moderator here that may well be the case.
Let me go out on a limb here and suggest that as a busy moderator with many other roles, you've not had the time to click through and read the links I provided, or watch the movie trailer or any of the video?
I understand. But, please, make the time to do so. Otherwise, we'll have too many here become like those profiled by John Heywood:
‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.
For the others that have reviewed the links, or watched the videos, well, they will learn things they did not know. Their minds will be a bit more open, seeds of change are being planted. Hence the debate. (Which drives forum traffic, which adds value to the forum, which is what a forum moderator should desire, want and appreciate, but I digress . . . .)
Just like there are some "flat earth" types that still roam the Earth, there will remain many that will still be smoking and eating animal flesh for many decades to come, notwithstanding the decades of science advising that those are really unwise choices. We're not like that, are we?
May I please suggest that you accept the additional responsibility of being a moderator on a Tesla forum? You are the gate keepers. You control the conversation (just like the Chinese government).
Because you have this power, it is incumbent upon you to be as well informed as your readers, preferably more so. Thus, when you and the other moderators become better informed on the environmental, ethical and moral issues that have driven Tesla Motors, our "cause," to offer a Vegan Model S, you won't be so quick to shuffle off the posts/conversations that make you and some others uncomfortable with previous and current choices . . . .
Allow me an analogy: as a child, our family doctor had a dinner-plate size ashtray on his office desk. It was full of cigarette butts. His cigarette butts.
He never spoke to his patients, to include me, about smoking.
Likewise, the blind spots held by the moderators should be of particular concern to you, and to all of us, the members of TMC community.
Again: We drive Teslas.
We are held to a higher standard because we are proven early adopters, i.e. smarter, better informed consumers. By shifting these conversations to the back alleys of the forum you help perpetuate the mis-information that leather is just some other inconsequential option choice. It's not. Elon knows this. Tesla Motors knows this. Others that read and know the science know this.
Let us not allow lies or mis-information or the status quo to remain unchallenged. We're better than that.
This isn't about a car--Tesla is a movement. Some parts of this movement are ahead of some of the buyers, and, perhaps, even some of the moderators.
I know that you, and at lest one other moderator, can do better.
I ask that you please do so.
Threatening to "shoot the messenger" by banning me from the forums is unbecoming, at best.
I have not insulted any other member; any such feelings are only their conscience/guilt rearing it's ugly head. I have only politely pointed out where the huge differences between professed statements and real-world consequences (such as being an "animal lover and supporter" while paying others 4-figures to murder animals for their parts--doesn't anyone else fathom the absurdity of this?). And I have pointed out knowledge gaps among many of our members re: how much our ONLY planet's existential GHG problem rests at both ends of the animals we raise and murder for their parts. My posts may be longer than desired because I have provided extensive links, and cut-and-pasted the actual data/commentary from the experts. This is an uphill climb that challenges decades of thinking--facts are needed, not opinions; facts take space.
These issues have generated something called "debate." Please, encourage it and cherish it--it's the ONLY way things get better. We drive Teslas to make things better. These things go together.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mark Peters
Hurst, TX
Owner: Vegan MS 85, P12195
And this is Texas! Asking people here to stop eating brisket would be on par with getting a EV tax credit passed. Not going to happen.
*****************************************
Yes, as long as you're a moderator here that may well be the case.
Let me go out on a limb here and suggest that as a busy moderator with many other roles, you've not had the time to click through and read the links I provided, or watch the movie trailer or any of the video?
I understand. But, please, make the time to do so. Otherwise, we'll have too many here become like those profiled by John Heywood:
‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.
For the others that have reviewed the links, or watched the videos, well, they will learn things they did not know. Their minds will be a bit more open, seeds of change are being planted. Hence the debate. (Which drives forum traffic, which adds value to the forum, which is what a forum moderator should desire, want and appreciate, but I digress . . . .)
Just like there are some "flat earth" types that still roam the Earth, there will remain many that will still be smoking and eating animal flesh for many decades to come, notwithstanding the decades of science advising that those are really unwise choices. We're not like that, are we?
May I please suggest that you accept the additional responsibility of being a moderator on a Tesla forum? You are the gate keepers. You control the conversation (just like the Chinese government).
Because you have this power, it is incumbent upon you to be as well informed as your readers, preferably more so. Thus, when you and the other moderators become better informed on the environmental, ethical and moral issues that have driven Tesla Motors, our "cause," to offer a Vegan Model S, you won't be so quick to shuffle off the posts/conversations that make you and some others uncomfortable with previous and current choices . . . .
Allow me an analogy: as a child, our family doctor had a dinner-plate size ashtray on his office desk. It was full of cigarette butts. His cigarette butts.
He never spoke to his patients, to include me, about smoking.
Likewise, the blind spots held by the moderators should be of particular concern to you, and to all of us, the members of TMC community.
Again: We drive Teslas.
We are held to a higher standard because we are proven early adopters, i.e. smarter, better informed consumers. By shifting these conversations to the back alleys of the forum you help perpetuate the mis-information that leather is just some other inconsequential option choice. It's not. Elon knows this. Tesla Motors knows this. Others that read and know the science know this.
Let us not allow lies or mis-information or the status quo to remain unchallenged. We're better than that.
This isn't about a car--Tesla is a movement. Some parts of this movement are ahead of some of the buyers, and, perhaps, even some of the moderators.
I know that you, and at lest one other moderator, can do better.
I ask that you please do so.
Threatening to "shoot the messenger" by banning me from the forums is unbecoming, at best.
I have not insulted any other member; any such feelings are only their conscience/guilt rearing it's ugly head. I have only politely pointed out where the huge differences between professed statements and real-world consequences (such as being an "animal lover and supporter" while paying others 4-figures to murder animals for their parts--doesn't anyone else fathom the absurdity of this?). And I have pointed out knowledge gaps among many of our members re: how much our ONLY planet's existential GHG problem rests at both ends of the animals we raise and murder for their parts. My posts may be longer than desired because I have provided extensive links, and cut-and-pasted the actual data/commentary from the experts. This is an uphill climb that challenges decades of thinking--facts are needed, not opinions; facts take space.
These issues have generated something called "debate." Please, encourage it and cherish it--it's the ONLY way things get better. We drive Teslas to make things better. These things go together.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mark Peters
Hurst, TX
Owner: Vegan MS 85, P12195
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