I've watched Youtube vids of cars being driven with FSD. Many have some close calls, but I'm wondering whether anyone has actually hit anything while driving with FSD on?
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I'm pretty sure there were plenty of examples of wheels be curbed even when on video, but not sure if that's what you were asking.I've watched Youtube vids of cars being driven with FSD. Many have some close calls, but I'm wondering whether anyone has actually hit anything while driving with FSD on?
I haven't heard of any but I'll bet that if an FSD BETA driver has an accident while using the system we will all hear about it pretty quickly.I've watched Youtube vids of cars being driven with FSD. Many have some close calls, but I'm wondering whether anyone has actually hit anything while driving with FSD on?
Odds of small accidents (L4+) are about 1 in 10k. Reportable accident (L2+) is 1 in 100k.I think roughly 15K people have it, and if you assume the average miles driven is still the same then what are the odds there was a reportable crash during the time frame? Assuming only 10.3.1 (or whatever people are referring to the fixed one as).
But this begs the question. How many and how low of a score are going to be allowed on the Beta? If everyone that pays for FSD gets it in a few months that seems to be a recipe for LOTS of problems.......So - I'd say FSD + cautious drivers are safer than average drivers in US.
I appreciate your saying that using the FSD BEta is exhausting. We have a score of 97 after driving 1.000 miles to the Grand Canyon and back and experienced lots of glitches--esp. unreliable driving though construction zones---and this is on the Cruise Control/autopilot. I haven't driven the car all that much so have been afraid to try the FSD--so feel reinforced by what you have said. We do regret shelling out 10 grand on the FSD and feell like fools in that regard. I initially was a fan-girl but now would NOT recommend Tesla to anyone.Hopefully someone who has time can look at it from a statistical standpoint.
I think roughly 15K people have it, and if you assume the average miles driven is still the same then what are the odds there was a reportable crash during the time frame? Assuming only 10.3.1 (or whatever people are referring to the fixed one as).
I can't see the FSD Beta adding much safety or reducing safety that much.
The reason for that is there are things that contribute to non-safety like the desire a driver has to see if it will pull off something. Some drivers are also likely allowing differences in how it drives versus how they normally drive. Like it's been following more closely than I would (in city driving), and its closing speed is much higher than I would have when it comes up to stopped traffic (its totally inefficient). There is also likely distraction like talking to an audience or pushing the report button.
Then there is the fact that its just too terrible for anyone to let their guard down. It's far more exhausting to drive with FSD Beta than without it. So I think its safe to assume it cuts down on some accidents simply because people are so tuned into it. Heck I'm so tuned into it that I haven't had any music on in the car during the start of the testing.
So my assumption is it averages out. So the question is will we hear about it? I think it depends on who the accident happens with. Some people would be far too embarrassed to admit. Or they'll be the person who has to blame someone else.
A lot of this also comes down to whether people use it. I've been rather selective in where to use it. Like today I was hoping to take a left with it from a stop light, but then a car got behind me. Now sure I could have just used it, and accepted any embarrassment. But, I was more like "drats, maybe next time". So I don't know if its really being tested that extensively by the 15K people when I myself have used it a very limited manner.
Elon was saying something about 70 (above 70th percentile ?). They may just have a cut-off at say 95 and let anyone who has the determination & patience to get 95 in.But this begs the question. How many and how low of a score are going to be allowed on the Beta? If everyone that pays for FSD gets it in a few months that seems to be a recipe for LOTS of problems.
It will be major headlines on all the media as if it was the first car crash in HISTORY.Even if there is an accident while FSD Beta is on, it will be blamed on driver error. Users are expected to intervene when a crash is imminent.
Really curious about the source of this data and definition of the collision severity.Odds of small accidents (L4+) are about 1 in 10k. Reportable accident (L2+) is 1 in 100k.
If FSD testers drover 10 miles daily, on average we could have one reportable accident per day ! That has definitely not happened. If its more like 5 miles daily, we should still see an accident every other day. That hasn't happened either. So - I'd say FSD + cautious drivers are safer than average drivers in US.
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It was in a white paper by (or some kind of report on ?) Cruise. It was linked here a couple of years back. I'll try to find it.Really curious about the source of this data and definition of the collision severity.
I initially was a fan-girl but now would NOT recommend Tesla to anyone.