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Any way to tell if a Model S has the dual chargers without feeding 11+kW into the car?

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  1. emir-t

    emir-t Member

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    We live in Turkey and a friend of mine just bought a P90D. Way things work here is you purchase through an importer "dealer" who goes through all the cumbersome tasks for you including picking it up from Tilburg/NL to importing to registering.

    He paid the extra for the dual charger option yet he didn't feed anything more than three fase 16A (~11kw) into the car. Any way to know?

    MyTesla doesn't list the full options I suppose?
    Could we check through VIN?
    Any physical checks to be done?

    Thanks in advance for your help.
     
  2. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    Press the lightning bolt on the display. If it goes to 80 amps, then it has dual chargers.
     
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    Hey jerry, thanks.

    It's a euro car so it shows 32Amps at the lightning bolt icon. Does this mean it can handle 3 phase 32a, aka 22kW?
     
  5. Johan

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    On the charge screen, where you can limit current draw, you can see how far up you can set the limiter. You can do this regardless of if you're plugged in or not. With dual chargers the limiter goes twice as high as with single charger.
     
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    Yes. This means it can draw the full 22kW.
     
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    Correct, if it shows 32 it has a dual charger otherwise 16. If you need physical evidence you can see the chargers under the rear seat.

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    Not so sure, single charger can handle up to 11kW, that's 3 phase 16A, but charging in single phase 220V at 32A (so 7kW) works just fine too with a single charger. Therefore max amperage is not a sufficient information to determine if dual-charger is installed.
    Take a look under the rear seat.
     
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    How? Do I need to dismantle anything? If so how?
     
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    Wait 10 minutes and I'll take a picture of the charging screen in my car and post for reference. You don't have to dismantle the back seat, trust me (my car was delivered with single charger and later upgraded, this was reflected on the screen interface: after the upgrade I was able to set double the amperage).
     
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    This toggle goes to 32 on a EU car with double charger.
     
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    Thanks Johan! It does go up to 32.

    But doesn't Nitram's argument above stand? It could get a single phase 32A source that would feed it 32 * 220 = 7kW?
     
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    My car has dual chargers.
    My HPWC is configured only for 40 amp.
    When I connect to the home charger, it only lets me dial up to 40A.
    But when I disconnect, it allows me to bump up the charge current setting to 80A.


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    They are talking about a EU 220V car. US 120V cars are 40/80 and in Canada with a single we can only draw 32 #safetyfirst
     
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    Umm, I think HPWCs are connected to 240V supply in the US - at least mine is.
    My point was to suggest that if the car allows to bump up the amps to anything higher than 40A, then the car has dual chargers.
    But for this to produce the correct result, the car should not be plugged in.
     
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    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    Correct. All HPWCs are 240V, only the UMC has a 120V adapter.
     
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    Err, the 3 phase thing, I think is what I meant, well, I tried to learn all the electrical stuff when I first got the car but now I just plug it in and get a coffee... I think I get 64A max. to an HPWC with 1 charger and 32A to a typical 220V plug. (walks out backwards)
     
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    My Car (which Arrived yesterday) in the UK has a single charger and goes to 32A when connected to the blue adapter.
    and 16A with a 3 phase red adapter connected

    If connected to a 43kw capable 3 phase supply it only pulls 11kw
     
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    Yeah blue adapter is probably single phase 32A so 7kW. Where as 16A 3 phase is 11kW. It's easy to find 32A 3 phase plugs in Europe but Tesla (I think by law) doesn't allow 22kW charging with a good old cable for safety reasons even if you have a capable charger.(Whereas a converted Turkish EV called "DMA" allows it) You need an EVSE source or a cable with its built in EVSE to charge 22kW. That's how we do roadtrips with EVs in Turkey yet with "0" Superchargers or DC chargers. Every industrial zone, hotel laundry, restaurant dishwasher plug is 3 phase 32Amp. 110km charge in an hour.
     
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    Another way to know, without fysically inspecting the car, is to install VisibleTesla (v 0.50.08).

    On the home screen press [Details] and look for this information:
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