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I don't think the insurance will double or even change for this, I expect that when using at L5 through Tesla's rideshare, Tesla will insure as part of the fee that they retain. Whether they self insure and then try and find underwriters will be what they have to figure out.Assuming this will be ready in a year or two - think the insurance will double ?
I would have considered the fee as reasonable if I hadn't recently taken delivery of my X.
I guess there must be over 100,000 AP1 cars on the road so for the next year or so Tesla will be gathering a lot of data from this group, I hope this means that they will continue to refine AP1 for at least another year or two although I suspect the dream team will be working on Tesla vision and we will not see any big leaps forward after 8.1.
I guess there must be over 100,000 AP1 cars on the road so for the next year or so Tesla will be gathering a lot of data from this group, I hope this means that they will continue to refine AP1 for at least another year or two although I suspect the dream team will be working on Tesla vision and we will not see any big leaps forward after 8.1.
Adm
Active Member
Scenario.
So presume I lease a Model S on a three year contract and order AP with self driving. I think there is a significant chance I would never get to use it myself. So, why order it in the first place?
So presume I lease a Model S on a three year contract and order AP with self driving. I think there is a significant chance I would never get to use it myself. So, why order it in the first place?
Right, but remember that you'll have to pay for the electricity to get your car back home, unless it's part of The Network, in which case it'll drive round and round with a million other taxis.
Tesla needs new cars sold with the Self-Driving upgrade.
It's those cars that will be used by Tesla to help do the "extensive software validation" needed before they can prove it's safe for the car to drive itself. Until then, the drivers with the Self-Driving hardware will be "driving instructors" for Tesla - teaching the software how to drive safely. Evidently Tesla will be logging the drivers actions and then compare that to what the software detected and would have done - and when there's a discrepancy, Tesla can continue to make improvements to the software until the software is driving at least as well as the human driver.
A cost increase was expected, because AP 2.0 has better and more sensors and increased processing power. Technology improvements haven't happened fast enough to deploy those at the same cost as the AP 1.0 hardware - at least not today. Though anyone buying AP 2.0 today shouldn't be surprised to see the cost of the AP 2.0 features decrease over time, as those components eventually start coming down in price.
We want to replace our "classic" P85 with a 100D/AP2.0 Model S, providing us many new features, 20% more range, and the potential for full self driving in the future. Looks like we're getting close...
It's those cars that will be used by Tesla to help do the "extensive software validation" needed before they can prove it's safe for the car to drive itself. Until then, the drivers with the Self-Driving hardware will be "driving instructors" for Tesla - teaching the software how to drive safely. Evidently Tesla will be logging the drivers actions and then compare that to what the software detected and would have done - and when there's a discrepancy, Tesla can continue to make improvements to the software until the software is driving at least as well as the human driver.
A cost increase was expected, because AP 2.0 has better and more sensors and increased processing power. Technology improvements haven't happened fast enough to deploy those at the same cost as the AP 1.0 hardware - at least not today. Though anyone buying AP 2.0 today shouldn't be surprised to see the cost of the AP 2.0 features decrease over time, as those components eventually start coming down in price.
We want to replace our "classic" P85 with a 100D/AP2.0 Model S, providing us many new features, 20% more range, and the potential for full self driving in the future. Looks like we're getting close...
Yea, but probably need something designed better. With full self driving, people can just sit in the back during the commute. A folding table, better web browser in the back, video streaming etc would be nice to have at the back.
Also capability to drive through Starbucks would be nice too
Chopr147
Active Member
Nope. They said yesterday that you can't use it on Uber or Lyft. Just the (not announced yet) Tesla Network. From Tesla:
"Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year."
You are buying the rights to use the "software" and Tesla's network. It's similar to what Microsoft does for Windows, you are purchasing the right to use it, you don't actually own it.
gizmoboy
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You're licensing the autonomous driving software. That will certainly have Terms of Use attached.
Think of it like this: you're buying a mobile computer, and even though you own the computer, the software it runs has terms of use you must agree to.
I suppose you could hack it and install other software with different terms of use, and that may be legal. Or the terms may not be enforceable. YMMV
Think of it like this: you're buying a mobile computer, and even though you own the computer, the software it runs has terms of use you must agree to.
I suppose you could hack it and install other software with different terms of use, and that may be legal. Or the terms may not be enforceable. YMMV
Chopr147
Active Member
OK I am coming from the angle that it's my car. If I want to go all Uber on it I should be able to. I am not up on the Uber/Lyft thing. Have never used it and cannot see a time I would need it.
You can use it for any ride share without the autonomous features.
In full autonomous materials de something is going to have to interface to the car to tell it where to go, collect payment, handle any corner cases (flat tire), etc.
They are basically setting the stage that they will not provide an API for uber, etc to control the car remotely.
If you want to personally drive for uber, fine. Send the car out on its own, they are looking for a cut.
Jeff4155
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I'm thinking Tesla wants to start it's own Uber, maybe paying the owner if they can use the owners vehicle as a taxi, just my 2cents
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